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PostPosted: 22:15 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As Farage, his supporters and several people on this forum keep bleating, A deal exit is not Brexit

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And I'm done on this circlejirk thread. Far more interesting things to watch going forward so enjoy your stay if this sideshow is important to you.


1) What rubbish. Of course leaving the "eu" with an understanding is Brexit. Speaking as a "Farage supporter".

2) Quite. It's just another goats & trolling thread.
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good summary of TBP voters.

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"A brilliant summary of the EU elections and the Brexit party's undeniable win" 😉

Well worth a read....

It was pure joy to watch the coverage of the European elections. For weeks, the BBC had been doing its best to avoid saying the dreaded name aloud, but on Sunday they really didn’t have a lot of choice. Try as they might to make the results about the success of the Liberal Democrats and the Greens, one astounding fact strobed out in turquoise from the top of every single count in England and Wales. The Brexit Party had wellied the lot of them.
How uplifting to see both main parties (and their dismal leaders) humbled. How unbelievably gratifying to see millions of decent Conservative and Labour voters - dismissed as “extremists” by the Condescendi - exact their revenge. It wasn’t just a punishment beating, although there was a great big smack of satisfaction in knowing that not a single politician in England and Wales has a safe seat any more. Be afraid, Yvette Cooper, be very afraid!
This was an intoxicating display of democracy; a heady blast of pure oxygen down the fusty corridors of obfuscation. A Remainer Parliament had colluded for almost three years to thwart the biggest vote in our history with insulting talk of a second referendum. OK, so you want a People’s Vote? Well, here’s the people voting – how do you like it now?
No wonder Stephen Kinnock looked a seasick shade of green on the BBC. Wales had just converted the try, and drop-kicked his Labour party (15.3 per cent) back to its metropolitan madlands. Bloody brilliant, boys!
As well as historic tragedy for the Conservative and Labour parties there was lashings of high comedy. To try and counter the Brexit Party’s embarrassingly emphatic victory, the losing parties started adding other people’s results to their own and claiming that they’d won after all. Who was doing the maths - Diane Abbott? Imagine telling Manchester City they didn’t win the Premiership because someone had just combined the totals of all the sides they’d defeated.
That cockatoo of conceit, Alastair Campbell, told Huw Edwards that The Brexit Party had actually lost in Wales because it got below 50 per cent. La Dementa herself, Anna Soubry, explained to BBC News that, contrary to any sane interpretation, the elections had been a huge success for Change UK, gaining 600,000 votes for her new party. (Funny Anna didn’t mention that another new party, with far less favourable coverage than the risible Change UK, somehow managed to get a slightly more impressive 5.25 million votes.)
Meanwhile, Emily Thornberry, that barrage balloon of self-regard, took one look at the results and changed party policy live on TV. Thornberry - also known as Lady Nugee, but I think of her as Lady Muck - concluded that the lesson for Labour of the night’s annihilation was that it must be much, much clearer about betraying its 2017 manifesto promise to honour the result of the referendum. It could only have been a failure to be perfectly straight with those thick Brexit morons, and oiks in white vans who make Emily’s bulldog nostrils twitch fastidiously, which had led to them giving their vote to Nigel Farage.
Farage is not everyone’s cup of tea, but at least he’s not Emily Thornberry. You have to give him that. In another blissful irony, The Brexit Party, accused of being far right and racist by Lady Muck and the metropolitan elite, will pretty much double the ethnic diversity of the all-white, predominantly-male European Parliament when its 29 MEPs take their seats next week. Black, brown, Jewish and Ann Widdecombe will make a noisy, impassioned case for the UK to be allowed to get the hell out of there. Personally, I can’t wait for Widdy’s maiden speech. It may even sober up Jean-Claude Juncker.
Make no mistake, the European Parliamentary elections were a huge victory for ordinary Britons and, boy, did we enjoy shaking up our supine, complacent political class. Millions of us, perhaps for the first time, set aside our traditional loyalties and voted for the Brexit Party because we would not, and could not, stand by as Parliamentarians put their own prejudices above the preferences of the people. How dare they dice with democracy like that!
Just think of this. You can draw a line from the toe of Cornwall to the tip of Northumberland and you won’t ever enter Remain territory. Outside London, a vast majority of constituencies in England and Wales, both Labour and Conservative, are Leave, while the majority of their MPs are Remain.
Well, not for much longer. On Sunday, the map of our country turned turquoise overnight. Farage played a blinder. Only a fool – or Emily Thornberry - would think it will go back to red and blue if the referendum result isn’t delivered.
As for the BBC, I reckon it had better get used to saying that dreaded name. Another major victory, in the Peterborough by-election, is hurtling down the track. The Brexit Party will be making headlines for as long as politicians continue to dishonour the people.

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PostPosted: 01:06 - 29 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is such a thing as a "bad winner" you know Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 07:51 - 29 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So leaving with a deal is remaining then?

You lot are hilarious! You change the rules to suit you, instead of admitting miserable defeat.


That's what you've been saying for the past several months regarding the deal on the table currently. Irony abounds.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 29 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things are getting as constructive as expected in the nationalist camp Laughing

Nationalist International wrote:

We will work together with our nationalist comrades from all over Europe to destroy the wicked EU!


Enter reality:
The Sun wrote:

NIGEL Farage has reportedly walked out of talks to form a “supergroup” of Eurosceptics in the European Parliament.

He allegedly said he would sign up his Brexit Party’s 29 MEPs — the joint largest single party in Brussels after last week’s elections — only if he became leader.

Nigel Farage wanted to lead a Eurosceptic supergroup in Brussels
A source said Mr Farage told Italy’s Matteo Salvini and France’s Marine Le Pen it would need his “star quality and recognisable face” for their “Europe of Nations” gang to take off.

But Salvini and Le Pen were said to be put off by his demands which included transferring his staff on their current pay.

Salvini and Le Pen are also said to be wary of appointing a leader who may have to leave the Parliament in just four months’ time, if Britain quits the bloc on October 31.

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PostPosted: 09:39 - 29 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdlxxvi wrote:


Enter reality:


Question

The Sun wrote:

NIGEL Farage has reportedly


In other news, Jeremy Corbyn has reportedly shagged a hamster.

Rolling Eyes

Make your mind up you lot. Yesterday we were told on here that Le Pen and Salvini were pro EU.

Farage is already president of the Eurosceptic EFDD group in the EU parliament.

https://twitter.com/EFDgroup/status/1133383203664945154
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 29 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdlxxvi wrote:
Things are getting as constructive as expected in the nationalist camp Laughing


Is this some sort of private vendetta? I'm not knocking it, it's just that otherwise there's little sense here.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 29 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

This anti Brexit smear campaign is beyond ridiculous now.
Johnson now has to appear in court for the £350M a week slogan.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48445430

What an absolute waste of time of time and money. I'd be interested to hear who brought this case and whether Gina Miller, Blair, Bercrow or one of the other Tory leadership candidates or team were involved behind the scenes of this unknown "crowd funder". Everyone knew the figure was before rebate, but is factually correct. It was ridiculed and pulled apart all over the media and is even mocked now. It's not like anyone actually was unaware is it?

If we're seriously going to start taking politicians to court over selective statistics and stretching the truth, there wouldn't be anyone left in the Parliament.

How about all of Project Fear, which has proved to be bullshit? Remain constantly telling us we're leaving Europe, not the EU? The extra £9M of spending from Cameron trying to persuade every household to remain? May telling us Brexit means Brexit, no Deal is better than a bad deal, we will leave on 29th March X 108 times? Dianne Abbot has no chance with the incorrect sh1te and figures which flow out of her brain.

Cameron must be shitting himself after coming out with "Leaving the EU means leaving the single market" and "It's your decision, we will implement what you decide"...
I expect to see him in court next week then eh?

Politics is fecked in this country and this only goes to highlight why Farage's party is now so much more than just about Brexit. It;s about draining the Westminster swamp with all it's smear and propaganda, putting power back in the hands of the democratic voting public, not 650 entitled elite. TBP must be rubbign their hands watching the current feckwits destroy each other and any respect left by the voting public.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 29 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdlxxvi wrote:

In this respect ALDE is a clear winner, as they have become a 3rd largest MEP group


Don't tell that to Farage supporters, his miserly 29 UKIP 2.0 seats are much more than ALDE 106 seats Laughing

BTW BBC declared victory for FN Le Pen fascists missing few facts:

Le Pen got 1% less votes compared to 2014.

Macron has got 21 seats only 1 seat less than 22 for Le Pen, despite been in government and making a lot of unpopular decisions.
Imagine Conservatives getting 28 MEP seats against Farage's 29. How the BBC and UK media would have spun that as clear victory for Tories Laughing

Also Germany NOT on BBC at all: Merkel strategy has worked.

As reported by France24: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhTlowjD_l8


Eat your hearts Marc Francois and Andrew Neil:

Merkel CD: undisputed winner with 29 seats!
Greens more seats than S&D socialists: 21 vs 16.
Farage favourite AfD nazis are at the bottom with 11 seats.

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PostPosted: 17:55 - 29 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
This anti Brexit smear campaign is beyond ridiculous now.
Johnson now has to appear in court for the £350M a week slogan.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48445430

What an absolute waste of time of time and money. I'd be interested to hear who brought this case and whether Gina Miller, Blair, Bercrow or one of the other Tory leadership candidates or team were involved behind the scenes of this unknown "crowd funder". Everyone knew the figure was before rebate, but is factually correct. It was ridiculed and pulled apart all over the media and is even mocked now. It's not like anyone actually was unaware is it?

If we're seriously going to start taking politicians to court over selective statistics and stretching the truth, there wouldn't be anyone left in the Parliament.

How about all of Project Fear, which has proved to be bullshit? Remain constantly telling us we're leaving Europe, not the EU? The extra £9M of spending from Cameron trying to persuade every household to remain? May telling us Brexit means Brexit, no Deal is better than a bad deal, we will leave on 29th March X 108 times? Dianne Abbot has no chance with the incorrect sh1te and figures which flow out of her brain.

Cameron must be shitting himself after coming out with "Leaving the EU means leaving the single market" and "It's your decision, we will implement what you decide"...
I expect to see him in court next week then eh?

Politics is fecked in this country and this only goes to highlight why Farage's party is now so much more than just about Brexit. It;s about draining the Westminster swamp with all it's smear and propaganda, putting power back in the hands of the democratic voting public, not 650 entitled elite. TBP must be rubbign their hands watching the current feckwits destroy each other and any respect left by the voting public.


Remind me why Farage, who has sat in his job for what, 25 years, and done nothing but the minimum required to get his paycheck, is any different from any of the other sponging bastards?
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 29 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
Remind me why Farage, who has sat in his job for what, 25 years, and done nothing but the minimum required to get his paycheck, is any different from any of the other sponging bastards?


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PostPosted: 19:06 - 29 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:


Remind me why Farage, who has sat in his job for what, 25 years, and done nothing but the minimum required to get his paycheck, is any different from any of the other sponging bastards?


He's never hidden the fact it'd money for nothing. I'll do it for the money they get. Thumbs Up

Anyway you can call it hypocritical or whatever but it's less hypocritical than Diane sending her kids to private school while espousing the state education system.

Less corrupt than the MP's and their expenses or flipping their houses to make money.

You can be sure Farage must be pretty well squeaky clean or some nasty little shit digger would have unearthed and published some dark secrets already.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 29 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
Incoherent raving.

Val wrote:
Analyse this.

It would be kinder not to.
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TBP is a single party, ALDE is made up of several parties you fuckwit... TBP is actually the largest single party in the EU parliament, but lets not bring fact into your fiction eh?

I'll say it again, it's irrelevant because what actually happens is like-minded groups unite under one banner at the EU, so Liberals stand as ALDE and Farage's lot have stood with some other populist parties as EFD which constitutes only 7% of the available seats.
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The point about TBP being the joint largest party in the EU, is not about their influence there, it’s showing the unprecedented election victory in their own country. Merkel’s party may have the same seats, but from a much larger pool of over 100 German seats, making less of a majority.

The point is, the victory Farage has just received is unmatched in scale by any other country and by quite some margin. Which makes the RemainStreamMedia playing it down even more funny.

They really are shitting bricks over the rise of this party.
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Dress it up however you like, but the UK, France and Italy all being won by populist parties, with Farage getting the same number of seats as Merkel's party, this tells you how the EU is heading for disaster.

But in the context of the EU Parliament the populists are a marked minority (look at the image I posted) and with the EU moving away from a unanimous voting system to simple and qualified majority voting they're unlikely to have much influence. If you want to put a national context to it the Brexit Party will have to win a GE, which will be much harder.
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Dress it up however you like, but the UK, France and Italy all being won by populist parties, with Farage getting the same number of seats as Merkel's party, this tells you how the EU is heading for disaster.

But in the context of the EU Parliament the populists are a marked minority (look at the image I posted) and with the EU moving away from a unanimous voting system to simple and qualified majority voting they're unlikely to have much influence. If you want to put a national context to it the Brexit Party will have to win a GE, which will be much harder.


With 3 of the biggest net financiers being won by populists, if the U.K., France and Italy left, it would implode irrelevant of the support of the 22 of the remaining 25 countries, who all love the EU because it gives them money it steals from the richer countries.

I believe it’s only around 6 of the countries net funding the EU.
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Marine Le Pen has given up on Frexit in favour of changing the EU from within. (Again I say, as a minority in the EU Parliament, good luck with that!). The Italians are in an enduring banking crisis which they'll want to offset by distributing the burden across the EU. Half of the UK wants to leave the EU but the more powerful other half says no. TBP has no representation in the UK Parliament and is a minority in the EU. You're waving a flag, but it's a tiny one.
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Marine Le Pen has given up on Frexit in favour of changing the EU from within. (Again I say, as a minority in the EU Parliament, good luck with that!). The Italians are in an enduring banking crisis which they'll want to offset by distributing the burden across the EU. Half of the UK wants to leave the EU but the more powerful other half says no. TBP has no representation in the UK Parliament and is a minority in the EU. You're waving a flag, but it's a tiny one.


That is very true, but the one thing Farage and the Brexit party MAY be able to do is attract the majority of the Brexit vote in a General election.

We have had 3 years of all the political parties trying there best to overturn the referendum result without it looking like they are ignoring democracy. If they think even the thickest Brexit voter can't see this, they are stupid.

Now the only way any of them can get an agreement as far as I can see is a general election so someone has a majority to push their version through.

The problem for all of them is Farage is going to go into the election with the message for a hard Brexit and he will be the only one most Brexit supporters will believe. Whatever happens he will pick up a sizeable wedge of the Brexit vote.

Whether that happens or not, the main parties will be shitting themselves that a general election will come down to a Brexit referendum with Libs as remain and Brexit party for leave, and them getting wiped out.

They cannot let that happen and the EU won't allow any further negotiations so I see an article 50 revocation on the cards with platitudes from all the senior politicians.

We had no alternative...

It's the right move, you will see......

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Marine Le Pen has given up on Frexit in favour of changing the EU from within. (Again I say, as a minority in the EU Parliament, good luck with that!). The Italians are in an enduring banking crisis which they'll want to offset by distributing the burden across the EU. Half of the UK wants to leave the EU but the more powerful other half says no. TBP has no representation in the UK Parliament and is a minority in the EU. You're waving a flag, but it's a tiny one.


Watch this space. On listening to the growing numbers posting in various groups on Facefart, TBP has turned into far more than a single issue, leave the EU party. People now see the momentum to create a GE challenge with a policy document (Farage won’t use the word manifesto, as it means “lies” normally), appealing to the masses.

It’s clear Westminster is rotten to the core and big changes are needed, Brexit or not. People see this party as the only chance to oust most of the top two self serving old parties.

The 6th June by-election is their next target and final applications for standing as a GE candidate need to be in within a couple of days. They have over 1600 applications so far and are going through selection now.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 29 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Marine Le Pen has given up on Frexit in favour of changing the EU from within. (Again I say, as a minority in the EU Parliament, good luck with that!). The Italians are in an enduring banking crisis which they'll want to offset by distributing the burden across the EU. Half of the UK wants to leave the EU but the more powerful other half says no. TBP has no representation in the UK Parliament and is a minority in the EU. You're waving a flag, but it's a tiny one.


That is very true, but the one thing Farage and the Brexit party MAY be able to do is attract the majority of the Brexit vote in a General election.

We have had 3 years of all the political parties trying there best to overturn the referendum result without it looking like they are ignoring democracy. If they think even the thickest Brexit voter can't see this, they are stupid.

Now the only way any of them can get an agreement as far as I can see is a general election so someone has a majority to push their version through.

The problem for all of them is Farage is going to go into the election with the message for a hard Brexit and he will be the only one most Brexit supporters will believe. Whatever happens he will pick up a sizeable wedge of the Brexit vote.

Whether that happens or not, the main parties will be shitting themselves that a general election will come down to a Brexit referendum with Libs as remain and Brexit party for leave, and them getting wiped out.

They cannot let that happen and the EU won't allow any further negotiations so I see an article 50 revocation on the cards with platitudes from all the senior politicians.

We had no alternative...

It's the right move, you will see......

etc. etc.


Didn't work for UKIP, how many times did he fail to get elected?

Besides, we _should_ have already left the EU by the time the next GE comes around.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 29 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Marine Le Pen has given up on Frexit in favour of changing the EU from within. (Again I say, as a minority in the EU Parliament, good luck with that!). The Italians are in an enduring banking crisis which they'll want to offset by distributing the burden across the EU. Half of the UK wants to leave the EU but the more powerful other half says no. TBP has no representation in the UK Parliament and is a minority in the EU. You're waving a flag, but it's a tiny one.


Watch this space. On listening to the growing numbers posting in various groups on Facefart, TBP has turned into far more than a single issue, leave the EU party. People now see the momentum to create a GE challenge with a policy document (Farage won’t use the word manifesto, as it means “lies” normally), appealing to the masses.

It’s clear Westminster is rotten to the core and big changes are needed, Brexit or not. People see this party as the only chance to oust most of the top two self serving old parties.

The 6th June by-election is their next target and final applications for standing as a GE candidate need to be in within a couple of days. They have over 1600 applications so far and are going through selection now.


I'm presuming you're one of the applicants, to give yourself the voice so clearly crave?
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I voted for TBP in the EU elections because it seemed the only way to have a voice, but I don't normally vote in those. I'd have to think long and hard about voting for them in a GE. I'd feel dirty but it might be the only way because while Brexit might be a single issue on the face of it, it epitomises UK politics. However I know that away from Brexit, Farage is an old-style Tory and I can't stomach that. Maybe give him a term in office and then out? Less damaging than Corbyn.
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Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
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That is very true, but the one thing Farage and the Brexit party MAY be able to do is attract the majority of the Brexit vote in a General election.

We have had 3 years of all the political parties trying there best to overturn the referendum result without it looking like they are ignoring democracy. If they think even the thickest Brexit voter can't see this, they are stupid.

Now the only way any of them can get an agreement as far as I can see is a general election so someone has a majority to push their version through.

The problem for all of them is Farage is going to go into the election with the message for a hard Brexit and he will be the only one most Brexit supporters will believe. Whatever happens he will pick up a sizeable wedge of the Brexit vote.

Whether that happens or not, the main parties will be shitting themselves that a general election will come down to a Brexit referendum with Libs as remain and Brexit party for leave, and them getting wiped out.

They cannot let that happen and the EU won't allow any further negotiations so I see an article 50 revocation on the cards with platitudes from all the senior politicians.

We had no alternative...

It's the right move, you will see......

etc. etc.


Didn't work for UKIP, how many times did he fail to get elected?

Besides, we _should_ have already left the EU by the time the next GE comes around.


No but there wasn't the need for UKIP at the last election.

The Tories expected a bigger majority from it and were going to deliver Brexit. People still believed them (silly billys).

As for we should have already left. How? Why would you think anyone can agree on anything when the Eu wont renegotiate so all that's on offer is May's deal dressed up in whatever twist you can put on it.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 29 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
Didn't work for UKIP, how many times did he fail to get elected?

Besides, we _should_ have already left the EU by the time the next GE comes around.


No but there wasn't the need for UKIP at the last election.

The Tories expected a bigger majority from it and were going to deliver Brexit. People still believed them (silly billys).

As for we should have already left. How? Why would you think anyone can agree on anything when the Eu wont renegotiate so all that's on offer is May's deal dressed up in whatever twist you can put on it.



May's deal is dead, it has ceased to be, it's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible, it's an ex deal.

The only thing it's done is unite everyone in being entirely pissed off at it.

If the next tory leader is indeed a genuine leaver and has any balls at all, he goes back to the EU, points out we leave on 31/10/2019, deal or no deal, then walks, with a cheery "my door is always open chaps" over his shoulder as he goes.

They say they're not negotiating and two can play that game.

Now I could actually see that happening, except the twat Bercow (the most biased impartial person in the history of everything) has basically said he won't let that happen.

He's the one the next PM needs to be undermining, the EU are easy to deal with compared to that cvnt.



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