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PostPosted: 18:24 - 27 May 2019    Post subject: Did anyone see Anne Widdecombe being interviewed? Reply with quote

https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1132895182247084037?s=09


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PostPosted: 18:44 - 27 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:13 - 27 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the problem? I'd agree with Huw Edwards that the EU have settled on nothing less than the deal offered to May and are unlikely to renegotiate, but even the fool Corbyn seems to believe further negotiations before October are a possibility, and Labour have absolutely no mandate.

TBP No Deal, then negotiate.

I wonder how long Corbyn can survive. He appears to be on Valium half the time and has barely reacted to the election result. Rather than take a stand he pins his hopes on a General Election win followed by a second referendum to absolve Labour of any blame. Pathetic.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48419144
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 27 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon Corbyn will be sectioned soon. He does seem to be losing it a lot - his eyes have that stare in them.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 27 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perspective. TBP seems like a big win in the UK but it's an EU election and 29 seats out of 751 is less than 4%.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 27 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why does that matter? Their voting power is low even when aligned with like-minded groups from other EU countries. It's a significant victory in the UK, but not so much in the EU unless it influences Brexit.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 27 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Le Pen has given up on Frexit in favour of reform from within.
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 27 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what kind of reform she has in mind. Tbh, if it were done right, it could be something worth staying a part of. Major reform needed though, and Britain failed to make them see it. That's why it was time to leave for us.
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 27 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cannot see the point of leaving unless we leave without a deal, simply because we will never get rid of this backstop in NI. Ireland will nuke any deal that they don't like and the EU know it.

If we don't leave with no deal, we might as well stay as we will be in Junkers pocket anyway. with no say on what goes on.
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 27 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Second referendum?

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PostPosted: 23:30 - 27 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure which side Labour voters are on though.

Also, if you listen to what Kier Starmer said The only way to break the Brexit impasse is to go back to the public with a choice between a credible leave option and remain.

No WTO deal in the choices, just the Commons half hearted leave or remain. FFS, it should be their deal or WTO, we have already had the leave/remain vote.

https://twitter.com/keir_starmer?lang=en

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PostPosted: 23:46 - 27 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Not sure which side Labour voters are on though.


You can't be sure which side any of the voters are on, unless they voted TBP, the only single issue party of note.

It did amuse me when I heard remainers try and conflate all the remain parties into one big number, without providing any stats to show which of their voters were only interested in Brexit and none of their other policies.

In the same way, adding together votes for Lab, Con and TBP gives a nice number for leave, but it doesn't give a true picture.

What is true is that, in six weeks, TBP with their one single issue, have garnered enough support to slaughter every other party - in terms of putting together a popular manifesto, what might they do with the six months it's going to take to organise a GE/second referendum?

Farage for PM?

Weirder things have happened and I would contend it's up to what the tories do in their leader election, if they want to stop that happening.
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you look at the stats and discount the 'fence-sitting' parties i.e. Labour and Conservative, it comes out about 50/50. No clear direction there then. The Party that will win the next General Election will be the one that persuades those who didn't vote to do so, and it will achieve this by putting forward a coherent argument and perhaps more importantly now a coherent leader. All it will take is for Labour or the Conservatives to achieve this and the Brexit Party will disappear as quickly as it arrived.

Trouble is, I don't see that leader amongst the current crop on either side.
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
If you look at the stats and discount the 'fence-sitting' parties i.e. Labour and Conservative, it comes out about 50/50. No clear direction there then. The Party that will win the next General Election will be the one that persuades those who didn't vote to do so, and it will achieve this by putting forward a coherent argument and perhaps more importantly now a coherent leader. All it will take is for Labour or the Conservatives to achieve this and the Brexit Party will disappear as quickly as it arrived.

Trouble is, I don't see that leader amongst the current crop on either side.


No it won't. It will only disappear when we have left the EU with either a very generous deal (not going to happen) or a WTO deal.

There are enough people angry at what has happened to make it a big enough force to influence the major partys even if it doesn't get anywhere near them in numbers.

Unlike Lib Dems who will disappear because while remainers are voting for them to fight the Brexit vote, not many want them to have a look in power wise so will desert them back to their normal Labour or Tory vote.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
No it won't. It will only disappear when we have left the EU with either a very generous deal (not going to happen) or a WTO deal.


There is no such thing as a "WTO deal". That is "no deal".

Regarding "deals" in general; it is a pity the press started calling various leaving arrangements "deals", which they are not, and it's a much greater pity that people don't understand the leaving process itself, as shown abundantly both in this thread and in the media generally.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The EU have made it quite clear they don't want a "departure mechanism" on anything but the most favourable terms to them. They are being foolish, especially considering the ever-growing anti-EU sentiment in Europe as a whole.

Deals are something quite separate to any withdrawal agreement. A WA of some kind would have been preferable to limit damage on both sides, but failing that (and it has failed), the so-called "no deal" option is all that is left. It's far from ideal, but we don't live in an ideal world.

The damage done by a swift withdrawal without any leaving mechanism would have been less than what we will now experience with all the dragging out and obfuscation we're currently going through. And all in the hope that one day, everyone will change their minds and want to stay in Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Re: Did anyone see Anne Widdecombe being interviewed? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:44 - 28 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Diggs wrote:
If you look at the stats and discount the 'fence-sitting' parties i.e. Labour and Conservative, it comes out about 50/50. No clear direction there then. The Party that will win the next General Election will be the one that persuades those who didn't vote to do so, and it will achieve this by putting forward a coherent argument and perhaps more importantly now a coherent leader. All it will take is for Labour or the Conservatives to achieve this and the Brexit Party will disappear as quickly as it arrived.

Trouble is, I don't see that leader amongst the current crop on either side.


No it won't. It will only disappear when we have left the EU with either a very generous deal (not going to happen) or a WTO deal.

There are enough people angry at what has happened to make it a big enough force to influence the major partys even if it doesn't get anywhere near them in numbers.

Unlike Lib Dems who will disappear because while remainers are voting for them to fight the Brexit vote, not many want them to have a look in power wise so will desert them back to their normal Labour or Tory vote.


Oh yes it will....

Labour will come out as Remain, the Tories will come out as Leave and Farage will be redundant once more.
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