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Pjay
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Quite what people think we are contributing to this baffles me. The earth warms and cools in long cycles, there is nothing anyone can do to change this.


https://youtu.be/VYMjSule0Bw


Oh please...

Volcanoes and animals do more damage than we do.

And my point is, it's inevitable that the earth will have another ice age.
We cant stop it, but we can make money by scaring people into thinking we can.
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In all honesty I think it's more likely that some nob head will start a nuclear war and we'll be wiped out like that.

Example, Obama agrees deal with Iran to ease sanctions (US, GB, China etc.) in exchange for them stopping Uranium Enrichment.
Trump says that deal was sh1t, we're out (other countries still honouring the agreement).
Iran says well fcuk you, we'll have nuclear weapons in 10 days. Thing is we have still honoured our trade deal with Iran.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Volcanoes and animals do more damage than we do.


Nope.Our activities cause far, far more greenhouse gasses than the world's volcanos combined.

We kill off more species of animals and destroy habitats at a higher rate than anything else on earth.

The information is all out there & publicly available.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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We kill off more species of animals and destroy habitats at a higher rate than anything else on earth.


Only 1% of all species that ever existed are alive now.

Those others mostly died long before humans existed.

Species die, it's the way of the world.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Nope.Our activities cause far, far more greenhouse gasses than the world's volcanos combined.


The information is all out there & publicly available.


https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/globalwarming.html?q=globalwarming.html

So it is.
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Only 1% of all species that ever existed are alive now.

Those others mostly died long before humans existed.

Species die, it's the way of the world.


It's actually more like 0.1% Smile

Life is hard to extinguish and there's always something somewhere ready to begin the process of evolution again. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pjay wrote:
Riejufixing wrote:
Nope.Our activities cause far, far more greenhouse gasses than the world's volcanos combined.


The information is all out there & publicly available.


https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/globalwarming.html?q=globalwarming.html

So it is.


Now that really *is* fake news Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Seems to have lots of verification attached to it.

It depends on what you want to call fake news, depending on what side of the fence you are standing.
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pjay wrote:
Seems to have lots of verification attached to it.

It depends on what you want to call fake news, depending on what side of the fence you are standing.


I tend to go with scientifically peer reviewed studies - there the data is checked for both integrity and accuracy. The same cannot be said for sites that blindly refute the hard data.

The fact that the climate is affected by Milankovitch cycles, of which there are three, isn't disputed by science - they have a clear proxy in the geological record. What's different is the rate of change of changes in the global mean surface temperature and these are somewhat accelerated over the norm - hence the 'hockey stick' curve.

The term global warming was the wrong one to choose - even though the global mean surface temperature is rising faster than the norm. Climate change is a better term because that's what a rise in the GMST will cause - and that means oscillations and some unpredictability in local weather patterns. Note the local and the use of weather. Weather is the day to day stuff, climate is the long term average trend in weather. They're different things entirely.

Denialists tend to point at weather and say "so and such a place is colder not hotter". Scientists point at climate and say that the trends are showing an increase in GMST over the norm.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
AI did 9/11
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Some stuff.


Yeah it's now called climate change instead of global warming when the polar ice caps started getting bigger.

It's all bollocks and you are lapping it up.

The same scientists doing the tests are the ones with their hands out to continue to do the tests. It's obvious they are going to use whatever stats they can to bolster their case that they need more money.

The fact remains that there are cycles and there is nothing we or anyone can do to stop them, regardless of what side of the fence you sit on about climate change.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pjay wrote:
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We kill off more species of animals and destroy habitats at a higher rate than anything else on earth.

Only 1% of all species that ever existed are alive now.

Those others mostly died long before humans existed.

Species die, it's the way of the world.


What's that got to do with the rate that the extinguishing of species progresses today?
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pjay wrote:
Riejufixing wrote:
Nope.Our activities cause far, far more greenhouse gasses than the world's volcanos combined.

The information is all out there & publicly available.

https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/globalwarming.html?q=globalwarming.html

So it is.


That does not refer to the amount of greenhouse gasses generated by volcanos and by people. Please point out a reference to that.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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That does not refer to the amount of greenhouse gasses generated by volcanos and by people. Please point out a reference to that.


It's there. in a pie chart.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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What's that got to do with the rate that the extinguishing of species progresses today?


Everything.
It's natural that species wipe out other species.
It's happened for over 100 million years.
We are here as part of the earths natural growth.

Do you consider a beaver a destructer of worlds because of the damage they cause in nature? No of course you dont.

We are part of nature and it's in our nature to form the world to fit our lives.

Fucking hippies.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yeah it's now called climate change instead of global warming when the polar ice caps started getting bigger.

It's all bollocks and you are lapping it up.

The same scientists doing the tests are the ones with their hands out to continue to do the tests. It's obvious they are going to use whatever stats they can to bolster their case that they need more money.

The fact remains that there are cycles and there is nothing we or anyone can do to stop them, regardless of what side of the fence you sit on about climate change.


You misunderstand me. I'm not bothered whether you believe the emphatically non-empirical denialist stuff or not. If you'd bothered to read what I said, I acknowledged the existence of Milankovitch cycles - they've never been in question. They're caused by the eccentricity, axial tilt and precession and have recognised periodicities of 100,000y, 41,000y, and 23,000y respectively. They don't account however, for the significant change in the rate of change of the global mean surface temperature. That's a hard fact reflected in the data that's been gathered.

By the way, the ice caps aren't growing - quite the opposite. There's also significant loss of glacier mass globally.

Suit yourself what you believe though. Laughing
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So glad we have our forum scientists and specialists here to dispute the idiotic musings of Stephen Hawking, Brian Cox, institutions like NASA, I mean who do they think they are providing these corrupted facts and statistics Rolling Eyes

https://youtu.be/sG8gLt4GChg

He talks about political institutions/will to deal with the problem, we don’t even have the global intelligence to accept or even recognise the problem.

Always wondered how people sleep at night, it’s apparent now, in ignorant bliss or absolute denial.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/12/10/arctic-sea-ice-is-growing-faster-than-before-but-theres-a-catch/
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pjay wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/12/10/arctic-sea-ice-is-growing-faster-than-before-but-theres-a-catch/


From that very article:

"Over the past few decades, sea ice across the Arctic Ocean has gotten smaller and thinner. Compared to the 1980s, today's end-of-summer Arctic sea ice extent is about half. Since 1958, Arctic sea ice lost about two-thirds of its thickness, with nearly three-quarters of Arctic sea ice forming and melting each year."

You really should read the stuff before you post it. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pjay wrote:
Riejufixing wrote:
That does not refer to the amount of greenhouse gasses generated by volcanos and by people. Please point out a reference to that.

It's there. in a pie chart.


ROFLMAO! What, "Sources of Greenhouse Gases" (sic)? Aw, bless.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pjay wrote:
Riejufixing wrote:
What's that got to do with the rate that the extinguishing of species progresses today?

Everything.
It's natural that species wipe out other species.
It's happened for over 100 million years.
We are here as part of the earths natural growth.

Oh well, you're on your own. ICBA.
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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ROFLMAO! What, "Sources of Greenhouse Gases" (sic)? Aw, bless.


It gives links to all information, if you cba to read the sources, then I cant help you.

It shows conclusively that there are coverups going on with the data that is being used.
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Islander wrote:
Pjay wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/12/10/arctic-sea-ice-is-growing-faster-than-before-but-theres-a-catch/


From that very article:

"Over the past few decades, sea ice across the Arctic Ocean has gotten smaller and thinner. Compared to the 1980s, today's end-of-summer Arctic sea ice extent is about half. Since 1958, Arctic sea ice lost about two-thirds of its thickness, with nearly three-quarters of Arctic sea ice forming and melting each year."

You really should read the stuff before you post it. Laughing


Yes, its smaller than it was in the 50s but its growing. What part of that are you misunderstanding?
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Thing is, this stuff should be easy like:

"Hey! America! We know you like your cars but are V12 8 litre trucks really necessary to pick your kids up from school?!" But no, American trucks don't run on dinosaur juice they run on freedom, goddammit!

The Japanese have had Kei cars for ages; now it's in their culture. How much easier is it to convince people to "go green" when they've already had the habit for decades?

Small, incremental changes are easier to swallow. Going all teary-eyed as you superglue yourself to a tube train or some such smacks of dogma and ideology. Whether you have facts on your side is irrelevant.
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Ahh but the more fuel we use, the more goods we buy and the more in taxes that a government can charge. As I've said in other places - it's not our fault that we do the things we do. If it's there then we'll buy it. Only governments can regulate what the population do.

Fascinating how everyone has decided AI is pants and won't touch us but volcanoes and V12 engines will.
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