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Islander wrote: | Venus has clouds, yes - of sulfuric acid and a very high albedo (0.75 compared to the Moon's 0.15) as evidenced by its appearance in our night sky. Its atmosphere is approx 96.5% CO2 with a surface pressure of 9.3MPa compared to Earth's 0.1MPa - much higher density. It has no liquid water and hence, no tectonics. Surface temperature is approx 460C.
It may have been Earth-like once but that would only have lasted for a very short time after the initial formation and bombarment. It hasn't had liquid water for approx 4 billion years.
It's a lot different to Earth and really not comparable in terms of process. |
Don't forget the Sun used to chuck out less energy when it was younger so the window of "Earth-like liquid water features" might have been a lot longer than one might expect... several billion years possibly.
Anyhoo, surely it's easier to go "Venus is all CO2 now and that planet's fucked. Don't let Earth go the same way!" rather than get bogged down with details. Post-truth era and all that
I did think it might make for a good Science Fiction story: in the future Earth is fucked (Mad Max style) and any sort of FTL drive fails to get invented. Someone does however invent a time machine and, to prevent causality issues, the remnants of humanity instead of escaping the Solar system in search of other planets instead escape back in time to when Venus didn't really need much in the way of terraforming.
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Don't forget the Sun used to chuck out less energy when it was younger so the window of "Earth-like liquid water features" might have been a lot longer than one might expect... several billion years possibly.
Anyhoo, surely it's easier to go "Venus is all CO 2 now and that planet's fucked. Don't let Earth go the same way!" rather than get bogged down with details. Post-truth era and all that
I did think it might make for a good Science Fiction story: in the future Earth is fucked (Mad Max style) and any sort of FTL drive fails to get invented. Someone does however invent a time machine and, to prevent causality issues, the remnants of humanity instead of escaping the Solar system in search of other planets instead escape back in time to when Venus didn't really need much in the way of terraforming.
The sequel will be about the inevitable collapse of the Venusian ecology and the survivors of humanity this time travel to the future and eek out their last days on Titan when the Sun enters the Red Giant stage. |
Nope. Standard estimates are that the runaway greenhouse effect occurred approx 4 billion years ago.
It could be an interesting story though... |
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One question nobody has asked:
We are slowly destroying the planet (the only debate, for me, is the pace) why should we change? Put it another way: human beings are crap so maybe it would be better to hasten the end than try to avoid it.
"But what about all the little furry animals and plants and fish and stuff?!" Fuck 'em, we'll all be dead. God isn't watching, what does it matter? Something will survive beyond us. We should move over and let the rats or cockroaches have a turn.
If you were to say to random ppl:
"The planet is dying! We need to do something?!"
Barring a few psychopaths most ppl will generally agree. If however you say:
"The planet is dying! You need to do something!"
Err, like what?
"Give up your cars, your meat, your synthetic fibres and medicines. Everyone has to go back to a pre-industrial agrarian society where we all toil in the fields..."
Yes, good luck with that! Secretly most people don't mind going to hell in a handcart if the "handcart" has aircon and a decent sound system ![Sad](images/smiles/icon_sad.gif) ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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HardlyDavidson wrote: | One question nobody has asked:
We are slowly destroying the planet (the only debate, for me, is the pace) why should we change? Put it another way: human beings are crap so maybe it would be better to hasten the end than try to avoid it.
"But what about all the little furry animals and plants and fish and stuff?!" Fuck 'em, we'll all be dead. God isn't watching, what does it matter? Something will survive beyond us. We should move over and let the rats or cockroaches have a turn.
If you were to say to random ppl:
"The planet is dying! We need to do something?!"
Barring a few psychopaths most ppl will generally agree. If however you say:
"The planet is dying! You need to do something!"
Err, like what?
"Give up your cars, your meat, your synthetic fibres and medicines. Everyone has to go back to a pre-industrial agrarian society where we all toil in the fields..."
Yes, good luck with that! Secretly most people don't mind going to hell in a handcart if the "handcart" has aircon and a decent sound system ![Sad](images/smiles/icon_sad.gif) |
Or you can take my stance and say that the planet isn't dying at all, it will still be here in 100 million years.
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Just discovered the Taurid meteor stream. The Earth passes through its path twice a year. That's it. We've had it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9So2SfJzE8
Very recent and apt:
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I get ridiculed here for stating my opinons on climate change and how I believe it's not that un-natural to have deviations in temperatures.
Mostly people state that I know nothing and that I am not qualified (or smart enough) to know.
Well I read and I read a lot. I might not have the requisite qualifications to please the jury here, but I do stand by my opinions.
I would like to bring this document to the attention of the people that say I am not qualified to comment:
https://www.opinione.it/cultura/2019/06/19/redazione_riscaldamento-globale-antropico-clima-inquinamento-uberto-crescenti-antonino-zichichi/?altTemplate=Stampa&fbclid=IwAR1YAoqulAKKXJTY-uzRfSEaX-G6NRpVOckp3nVE7iiTAgOQu8DMHGUxRnE
These scientists are all very qualified and share my views.
We are being scammed into paying more in taxes and charges (ULEZ) (Congestion Charge) (Flight Tax) to bolster the coffers of governments and we suck it up.
Please dont bother arguing with me on this but feel free to contact the scientists that signed that document and tell them how you know better and that they are wrong. ____________________ struan80 - I'll go first - satisfied tick 1 |
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The ULEZ is a attempt at dealing with a more immediate pollution issue in London and that's asthmatic kittens choking on diesel fumes
However I totally agree that what may be a very real climate crisis has been twisted into a money spinning business (carbon credits) and a way of keeping poor people poor (especially in the Third World.) ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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And again another reason to post this map - a live pollution map of the UK. Notice how London has those same levels of choking fumes as the desolate remote areas of Northumberland??
Of course it's a tax on people.
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mpd72 wrote: | Easy-X wrote: |
However I totally agree that what may be a very real climate crisis has been twisted into a money spinning business (carbon credits) and a way of keeping poor people poor (especially in the Third World.) |
Eh? What carbon taxes do people in the poorest Third World countries pay?
The scam to me, seems to be to tax and control people in First World, mainly Western countries, where taxation is big business. |
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