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Should there be a standardised career path before someone is allowed to stand for election as an MP of any persuasion?
I'm thinking study in political 'sciences', and maybe economics and political history, then working in a 'normal' job, then time served in the civil service, maybe with a requirement to achieve a certain level, before you can even be considered as a candidate for any political office?
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| Posted: 10:58 - 05 Jun 2019 Post subject: Re: Politics career path |
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| chickenstrip YFPOS wrote: | Should there be a standardised career path before someone is allowed to stand for election as an MP of any persuasion?
I'm thinking study in political 'sciences', and maybe economics and political history, then working in a 'normal' job, then time served in the civil service, maybe with a requirement to achieve a certain level, before you can even be considered as a candidate for any political office? |
Economics would be good as they don't seem to be able to balance the books, but in the end they do what ever they can to stay in power......
Gordon Brown selling the gold reserves for peanuts to get Blair re elected springs to mind.
Remember, it isn't their money they are spending.
Other than that, yes, but David Lammy went to law school, university etc. and he's still an idiot who can't tell the difference between right and wrong when a black person is involved.
They will never change.
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And the Cynicism Gold Medal Award of the Day today goes to Polarbear, who is unlikely to be surpassed, and it's not even lunchtime yet 
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Why study in politics - Surely this is the problem? They're ideology is pre-set as a student just like Corbyn.
We need a fresh approach, people who excel in the community and business, people who will bring fresh ideas instead of the stale., self serving twats we have in Westminster with the old system of career politics.
May had a job in the real world and she's been the worst leader in living memory, even worse than Blair, Brown and Major.
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To be fair, it was rather a poisoned chalice! How many stepped up when Cameron ran off? Now she's taken all the flak there are a dozen Tory chancers wanting to step in to No. 10 at the last minute. That's probably more a reflection of how weak the party is, with no obvious leading candidates. |
Poisoned chalice or not, she put herself forward knowing the job she was instructed to do. She dodged it and stalled it, constantly said one thing and did the opposite. She completely destroyed negotiations which were making progress, to stop us properly leaving. She was a remainer who wanted to stay in the EU and under her leadership, she's led us straight past leaving and into a deadlock. The Literal Undemocrats couldn't have done a better job of sabotaging the whole process.
My biggest gripe is that she's constantly and blatantly lied through her teeth all the way through, pretending this EU demand, which she's dressing up as her own "deal", performs all sorts of things it doesn't. All it is, is an invoice to pay up front on the promise that they'll sit down and actually talk about our future relationship with them (i.e. if we actually left). If they don;t agree terms with us after 2 years, we're stuck in as a vassal state and they can carry on milking us for billions to fund their federal superstate project with us having no say.
I'm beginning to think she;s been a plant and a stooge from the start. This tin foil hat idea has only been strengthened by her sheer reluctance to resign when countless attempts to get her to stand down have been blatantly ignored. It felt like she was hanging in until her mission to feck Brexit was complete.
When does Junkers 4 times unpoished turd of an invoice get voted on again? I suspect she'll get enough to back it this time, with her promise of finally fecking off on a nice EU back-hander pension, once Junkers mission for her is complete.
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My biggest gripe is... |
I've found a couple of threads on the forum you haven't mentioned it in, if you'd like me to point them out to you?
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TBH it sounds like you're putting forward some vague notion of a meritocracy. Can't see how you could sell that 
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| HardlyDavidson wrote: | TBH it sounds like you're putting forward some vague notion of a meritocracy. Can't see how you could sell that |
Yeah, you're probably right. We should probably just stick to our vague notion of democracy
Watch out Polarbear, I might be after your cynicism award 
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Think the ironic thing is that most involved in Politics seem to have a PPE degree, as they think it stands them in better stead.
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| chickenstrip YFPOS wrote: | Should there be a standardised career path before someone is allowed to stand for election as an MP of any persuasion?
I'm thinking study in political 'sciences', and maybe economics and political history, then working in a 'normal' job, then time served in the civil service, maybe with a requirement to achieve a certain level, before you can even be considered as a candidate for any political office? |
A couple of my mates went for Civil Service selection.
They said it was absurd, more like a test of how well you can defend indefensible views. They had to perform tasks like, "Skim read this 20 page report then present an argument for the side of the debate that you have been assigned."
I can understand in a way, because the job is to work on behalf of your government, no matter which government is in charge, so you may sometimes need to do things you don't agree with.
Not sure if these are useful traits for representing the democratic will of the people though!
Also, suggesting a 'standardised career path' to make sure political candidates are up to par, sounds like something rather close to what they already have over here in chinachinachina! Commie! 
I generally agree with your point though - political candidates need to be far more than a pretty face or smooth talker. One of my mates bases all his political opinions on how well a politician can orate or "hold their own" in parliament, as if dishing out good insults without "getting triggered" is a prime quality that everyone should vote for. It's absurd. Politicians need credentials and experience and a proven/verifiable ability to do the job. Everything else is arbitrary. |
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| Posted: 12:00 - 08 Jun 2019 Post subject: Re: Politics career path |
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| Lord Percy wrote: | | chickenstrip YFPOS wrote: | Should there be a standardised career path before someone is allowed to stand for election as an MP of any persuasion?
I'm thinking study in political 'sciences', and maybe economics and political history, then working in a 'normal' job, then time served in the civil service, maybe with a requirement to achieve a certain level, before you can even be considered as a candidate for any political office? |
A couple of my mates went for Civil Service selection.
They said it was absurd, more like a test of how well you can defend indefensible views. They had to perform tasks like, "Skim read this 20 page report then present an argument for the side of the debate that you have been assigned."
I can understand in a way, because the job is to work on behalf of your government, no matter which government is in charge, so you may sometimes need to do things you don't agree with.
Not sure if these are useful traits for representing the democratic will of the people though! |
I couldn't possibly judge whether the civil service is a correct part of such a career path by that alone, but I was thinking along the lines of it might be useful for politicians to have a firm grasp of the mechanism of day-to-day government.
| Quote: | Also, suggesting a 'standardised career path' to make sure political candidates are up to par, sounds like something rather close to what they already have over here in chinachinachina! Commie! |
I know, shocking isn't it?
| Quote: | I generally agree with your point though |
Well, I didn't suppose that I would be the one to come up with how they should actually progress to holding political office, but something definitely seems to be lacking in background and ability with many of them these days. I just think that it ought to be like any other career in the sense that you can't get to the top unless you have shown some level of competence and understanding first. Feel free to suggest anything else this should consist of 
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| Posted: 13:44 - 08 Jun 2019 Post subject: Re: Politics career path |
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| chickenstrip YFPOS wrote: | Feel free to suggest anything else this should consist of |
I think a good start would be to drastically remould two things:
1. Mainstream media
2. Mainstream education
1 - Media fills people's minds with utter shit, it dumbs them down and literally 'trigger's everyone into all sorts of wild ideas. A proper press standards agency, where common sense and realistic journalism is enforced, would be good for keeping the masses informed and rational. As things stand, every single newspaper is nothing more than a magazine aimed at getting sales. This needs to be fixed.
2- Education is where humans are grown into adults, so it stands to reason that this is one area that is woefully neglected in recent years. All sorts of things could be improved. Two areas that stand out to me would be discipline of students, and proper funding of schools/teachers. 'Austerity' simply isn't an excuse any more, the state of UK education is deliberate neglect at this point.
By doing this, the population would grow up healthier and more capable of making political decisions, and would naturally vote for people with the kind of credentials you mentioned.
Basically my theory is that a well-rounded populace will vote for well-rounded people.
National service of some kind would be good too. It would instil an understanding of authority, hierarchy and meritocracy, with a respect for those with superior knowledge or experience. |
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| Posted: 15:48 - 08 Jun 2019 Post subject: Re: Politics career path |
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| Lord Percy wrote: |
National service of some kind would be good too. It would instil an understanding of authority, hierarchy and meritocracy, with a respect for those with superior knowledge or experience. |
I can't help but think of education as some kind of essential national service anyway. Schools, colleges and universities are where all the traits we might gain from national service could be instilled, and you are right, we need to make more of it, but you are addressing a much wider set of problems it seems to me.
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