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Posted: 08:54 - 12 Jun 2019 Post subject: Peterborough By-Election. |
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There have now been some pretty damning allegations over the legitimacy of this slim Labour hold.
The main concerns are over postal voting fraud and a Muslim Labour member being part of the campaign and was at the count, who's got a previous conviction for vote rigging.
The postal vote turnout was almost 70% and if the chart posted in this Facebook post is true, of the 12 wards in Peterborough, the figures are showing 11 wards to have exactly the same number of postal votes returned at a nice round figure of 750.
https://www.facebook.com/Legacy4UK/posts/2017577711883412?hc_location=ufi
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Posted: 09:02 - 12 Jun 2019 Post subject: Re: Peterborough By-Election. |
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mpd72 wrote: | There have now been some pretty damning allegations over the legitimacy of this slim Labour hold.
The main concerns are over postal voting fraud and a Muslim Labour member being part of the campaign and was at the count, who's got a previous conviction for vote rigging.
The postal vote turnout was almost 70% and if the chart posted in this Facebook post is true, of the 12 wards in Peterborough, the figures are showing 11 wards to have exactly the same number of postal votes returned at a nice round figure of 750.
https://www.facebook.com/Legacy4UK/posts/2017577711883412?hc_location=ufi
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Sauces other than facebook:
https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/politics/authorities-insist-no-evidence-of-electoral-fraud-in-the-peterborough-by-election-as-police-investigate-allegations-1-8959871
"Allegations of electoral fraud have been made about last week’s by-election in Peterborough with claims of postal vote rigging and intimidation - but the authorities insist there is no evidence of any wrongdoing.
Labour’s Lisa Forbes won the seat by 683 votes ahead of the Brexit Party’s Mike Greene, but a senior Conservative has alleged there was “harvesting” of postal votes, while the Tories have highlighted the involvement in the campaign of Labour activist Tariq Mahmood who was jailed in 2008 for postal vote interference.
Mr Mahmood was pictured with Ms Forbes and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn during the campaign and was also present at the election count - just as he has been at previous elections.
However, Labour has categorically denied that Mr Mahmood had any involvement in the campaign.
Cambridgeshire police is currently investigating two allegations of electoral fraud, including one message shared on social media allegedly showing someone bragging that he and two others had ‘burned more than 1,000 votes for the Brexit Party’.
Mr Greene, responding to it on Twitter, wrote: “Just not funny... if even 1 persons vote was destroyed then our democracy is threatened. More than ever we need to #ChangePoliticsForGood
“(NAME DELETED) should be investigated - this kind of post just spreads hate.”
The second incident being investigated is a report of a “suspicious incident involving postal votes on Tuesday (June 4)”, a police spokesman said.
He added: “Peterborough City Council and Cambridgeshire Constabulary are working closely to reduce the risk of election fraud and ensure voters have confidence in the electoral system.”
Peterborough City Council, which ran the election, has been inundated with so many queries and complaints that it issued a lengthy statement on Monday evening to try and reassure people that there was no evidence to suggest wrongdoing.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/tories-mysterious-silence-over-dodgy-by-election/
"It soon became apparent that the Peterborough result was an outlier in several respects. First, it had defied most psephological predictions.
Second, the size of the Labour vote looked an outlier against the general run of polling. In the 2016 EU Referendum, Peterborough voted 61:39 for Leave. The estimate of its vote, contained within that for the East of England region, in the EU Parliament elections on 23 May showed the Brexit Party on 32 per cent against Labour’s 22 per cent. The differences from the YouGov poll of Westminster voting-intention taken on the same day look marked.
It didn’t take long for indications to emerge of where the reasons for the apparent anomaly might lie. The lights started flashing amber even before the count, when the unusually high proportion of the turnout – itself high for a by-election at 48 per cent – that was accounted for by postal votes was revealed, namely no less than 69 per cent. That’s about 50 per cent higher than the largest ratio of postal votes to overall turnout previously recorded.
Commentators soon picked up on the fact that among Labour’s local campaign team was one Tariq Mahmood, a convicted vote-rigger, as well as the appointment by Jeremy Corbyn to his party HQ staff of Marsha-Jane Thompson, herself possessor of a criminal conviction for electoral fraud.
Pressure is mounting on the Electoral Commission to mount a formal investigation, and as this article was being completed unconfirmed reports were circulating that Peterborough Council had launched its own investigation after numerous complaints.
A comprehensive summary of all these events and their background can be read here.
Yet on this, intriguingly, the ‘Conservative’ Party has been noticeably silent. The Tories appear to be virtually ignoring the mounting accusations of Labour’s potentially criminal electoral fraud via postal vote rigging. One might reasonably have expected them, if not to raise objections immediately, at least to be joining in the growing expressions of concern and suspicion. After all, their candidate was affected by it too."
https://www.politicalite.com/election-2019/exclusive-fraud-convicts-and-ethnic-exploitation-how-peterborough-was-really-won/
https://www.politicalite.com/peterborough-by-election/exclusive-labour-and-pboro-council-deny-vote-rigger-was-there-heres-proof-he-was/
https://humanevents.com/2019/06/11/brexit-party-burned-ballots-voter-fraud-under-investigation/
"Police are investigating allegedly burned ballots while voter fraud questions are being raised over the result of the Peterborough by-election (special election) in the United Kingdom last week.
A local Labour Party campaigner previously convicted of electoral fraud was present throughout the campaign and, critically, at the official election count.
The result – declared late Thursday night – saw Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party denied its first seat in parliament by just 683 votes.
Long time Labour Party activist Tariq Mahmood – convicted in 2008 for a vote fabrication scheme – was “front and centre” of the party’s efforts to mobilize the growing Muslim vote in the city, according to local officials.
Tariq Mahmood is a well-known local Labour Party activist, finding most of his fame due to his electoral fraud conviction and his racist remarks about Conservative Party Member of Parliament Sajid Javid.
The lettings agency boss branded Javid – now running for leadership of the Conservative Party – a “coconut”, a well-known racial slur in South Asian communities. The insult is the equivalent of the phrase “house negro”, especially used by hard-line Muslims against moderates, or apostates.
Mahmood admitted to campaigning for the Labour Party during the recent election despite his previous conviction. He was pictured with the Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn as well as the party’s winning candidate Lisa Forbes on several occasions. Despite numerous pictures uploaded to his Facebook page over several weeks, Mahmood claims he only “met Jeremy Corbyn once”.
The deputy leader of Peterborough Council Wayne Fitzgerald said this weekend “Tariq Mahmood is a villain and he was front and centre of the Labour campaign within the Muslim community.
“We receive repeated reports of postal fraud and personation within the largely urban central parts of the city where the Labour vote is strongest.”
A former Member of Parliament for the area, Stewart Jackson, added: “Tariq Mahmood should not be involved in politics at all. He has a record for voter fraud and the fact that he is so close to the Labour campaign speaks volumes about the rottenness of the current Labour Party.”
POSTAL VOTES
Postal voting fraud concerns are rife in the United Kingdom, which like the U.S., currently has no widespread voter identification laws.
The Peterborough Council website states: “Postal voting is now available in England, Scotland and Wales on request, for all elections. You do not need to give any reason for wanting a postal vote.”
The relatively new introduction of the scheme has been leveraged at an industrial scale by the Labour Party for years. The Guardian notes postal voting as the third top reason for Labour beating the Brexit Party last week. The left-wing New Statesman even gloated about the matter, with Stephen Bush writing:
The Brexit Party didn’t have the time to find its most committed voters, let alone get them onto postal votes, and would have been unable to even attempt to persuade and convert the voters who had long since voted for its opponents by post.
Turnout was especially high for postal votes at the recent by-election, with 69.4 per cent being returned versus an in-person turnout of just 48.4 per cent.
There were 9,898 postal votes cast at the election, with 400 rejected of a total 33,920 votes."
In conclusion, anyone who thinks there's something dodgy about the result of the Peterborough by-election is a racist bigot POS who has no place in this modern, progressive society. |
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Ste wrote: | Sauces other than facebook:
https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/politics/authorities-insist-no-evidence-of-electoral-fraud-in-the-peterborough-by-election-as-police-investigate-allegations-1-8959871
"Allegations of electoral fraud have been made about last week’s by-election in Peterborough with claims of postal vote rigging and intimidation - but the authorities insist there is no evidence of any wrongdoing.
Labour’s Lisa Forbes won the seat by 683 votes ahead of the Brexit Party’s Mike Greene, but a senior Conservative has alleged there was “harvesting” of postal votes, while the Tories have highlighted the involvement in the campaign of Labour activist Tariq Mahmood who was jailed in 2008 for postal vote interference.
Mr Mahmood was pictured with Ms Forbes and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn during the campaign and was also present at the election count - just as he has been at previous elections.
However, Labour has categorically denied that Mr Mahmood had any involvement in the campaign.
Cambridgeshire police is currently investigating two allegations of electoral fraud, including one message shared on social media allegedly showing someone bragging that he and two others had ‘burned more than 1,000 votes for the Brexit Party’.
Mr Greene, responding to it on Twitter, wrote: “Just not funny... if even 1 persons vote was destroyed then our democracy is threatened. More than ever we need to #ChangePoliticsForGood
“(NAME DELETED) should be investigated - this kind of post just spreads hate.”
The second incident being investigated is a report of a “suspicious incident involving postal votes on Tuesday (June 4)”, a police spokesman said.
He added: “Peterborough City Council and Cambridgeshire Constabulary are working closely to reduce the risk of election fraud and ensure voters have confidence in the electoral system.”
Peterborough City Council, which ran the election, has been inundated with so many queries and complaints that it issued a lengthy statement on Monday evening to try and reassure people that there was no evidence to suggest wrongdoing.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/tories-mysterious-silence-over-dodgy-by-election/
"It soon became apparent that the Peterborough result was an outlier in several respects. First, it had defied most psephological predictions.
Second, the size of the Labour vote looked an outlier against the general run of polling. In the 2016 EU Referendum, Peterborough voted 61:39 for Leave. The estimate of its vote, contained within that for the East of England region, in the EU Parliament elections on 23 May showed the Brexit Party on 32 per cent against Labour’s 22 per cent. The differences from the YouGov poll of Westminster voting-intention taken on the same day look marked.
It didn’t take long for indications to emerge of where the reasons for the apparent anomaly might lie. The lights started flashing amber even before the count, when the unusually high proportion of the turnout – itself high for a by-election at 48 per cent – that was accounted for by postal votes was revealed, namely no less than 69 per cent. That’s about 50 per cent higher than the largest ratio of postal votes to overall turnout previously recorded.
Commentators soon picked up on the fact that among Labour’s local campaign team was one Tariq Mahmood, a convicted vote-rigger, as well as the appointment by Jeremy Corbyn to his party HQ staff of Marsha-Jane Thompson, herself possessor of a criminal conviction for electoral fraud.
Pressure is mounting on the Electoral Commission to mount a formal investigation, and as this article was being completed unconfirmed reports were circulating that Peterborough Council had launched its own investigation after numerous complaints.
A comprehensive summary of all these events and their background can be read here.
Yet on this, intriguingly, the ‘Conservative’ Party has been noticeably silent. The Tories appear to be virtually ignoring the mounting accusations of Labour’s potentially criminal electoral fraud via postal vote rigging. One might reasonably have expected them, if not to raise objections immediately, at least to be joining in the growing expressions of concern and suspicion. After all, their candidate was affected by it too."
https://www.politicalite.com/election-2019/exclusive-fraud-convicts-and-ethnic-exploitation-how-peterborough-was-really-won/
https://www.politicalite.com/peterborough-by-election/exclusive-labour-and-pboro-council-deny-vote-rigger-was-there-heres-proof-he-was/
https://humanevents.com/2019/06/11/brexit-party-burned-ballots-voter-fraud-under-investigation/
"Police are investigating allegedly burned ballots while voter fraud questions are being raised over the result of the Peterborough by-election (special election) in the United Kingdom last week.
A local Labour Party campaigner previously convicted of electoral fraud was present throughout the campaign and, critically, at the official election count.
The result – declared late Thursday night – saw Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party denied its first seat in parliament by just 683 votes.
Long time Labour Party activist Tariq Mahmood – convicted in 2008 for a vote fabrication scheme – was “front and centre” of the party’s efforts to mobilize the growing Muslim vote in the city, according to local officials.
Tariq Mahmood is a well-known local Labour Party activist, finding most of his fame due to his electoral fraud conviction and his racist remarks about Conservative Party Member of Parliament Sajid Javid.
The lettings agency boss branded Javid – now running for leadership of the Conservative Party – a “coconut”, a well-known racial slur in South Asian communities. The insult is the equivalent of the phrase “house negro”, especially used by hard-line Muslims against moderates, or apostates.
Mahmood admitted to campaigning for the Labour Party during the recent election despite his previous conviction. He was pictured with the Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn as well as the party’s winning candidate Lisa Forbes on several occasions. Despite numerous pictures uploaded to his Facebook page over several weeks, Mahmood claims he only “met Jeremy Corbyn once”.
The deputy leader of Peterborough Council Wayne Fitzgerald said this weekend “Tariq Mahmood is a villain and he was front and centre of the Labour campaign within the Muslim community.
“We receive repeated reports of postal fraud and personation within the largely urban central parts of the city where the Labour vote is strongest.”
A former Member of Parliament for the area, Stewart Jackson, added: “Tariq Mahmood should not be involved in politics at all. He has a record for voter fraud and the fact that he is so close to the Labour campaign speaks volumes about the rottenness of the current Labour Party.”
POSTAL VOTES
Postal voting fraud concerns are rife in the United Kingdom, which like the U.S., currently has no widespread voter identification laws.
The Peterborough Council website states: “Postal voting is now available in England, Scotland and Wales on request, for all elections. You do not need to give any reason for wanting a postal vote.”
The relatively new introduction of the scheme has been leveraged at an industrial scale by the Labour Party for years. The Guardian notes postal voting as the third top reason for Labour beating the Brexit Party last week. The left-wing New Statesman even gloated about the matter, with Stephen Bush writing:
The Brexit Party didn’t have the time to find its most committed voters, let alone get them onto postal votes, and would have been unable to even attempt to persuade and convert the voters who had long since voted for its opponents by post.
Turnout was especially high for postal votes at the recent by-election, with 69.4 per cent being returned versus an in-person turnout of just 48.4 per cent.
There were 9,898 postal votes cast at the election, with 400 rejected of a total 33,920 votes."
In conclusion, anyone who thinks there's something dodgy about the result of the Peterborough by-election is a racist bigot POS who has no place in this modern, progressive society. |
OMG Ste is Teflon-Mike?
Teflon-Mike wrote: | The man maths go like this:
Problem - 'hobby A' costs a lot but enthusiasm is gone, so its not worth the money.
Proposed Solution - 'hobby B' looks fun... also looks expensive... but then the money spent of Hobby A is mostly wasted anyway, so surely it cant be that bad?
Deliberation of the conundrum is pre-ordained to find in favour or Hobby B... whether its as expensive as you expect or not... just because THAT is what you 'think' you want to do... so costs will be justified or forgotten, one way or another! Be warned!!
In reality..... Expenditure Expands to Consume Funds Available... PLUS as much more as bank-manager, significant other, richer-relatives etc will allow.....
You have been warned!!!!
IF you go tracking, and the bug bites..... well, you'll never get enough... and one track-day a month will become two every six weeks, yeah well I know I did four in two months, but, I didn't do ANY all winter......
At this point actual club road-racing will 'seem' like a good idea, even though its apparently expensive... cos they have a club calendar, and you can see that there's 'only' Half a dozen race days or so a year, on their calendar, which should 'cap' the number of events you can actually do, and spend on.....
Yeah... then comes the practice sessions and taking days off work to go 'set up' the bike, and oooh... well, I could do that at an 'ordinary' track day...
And so the elasticity of the economics start to get tested.....Along the way of course they will already have been tested... every time some-one in the paddock suggests that actually you would be better off with 'propper' race tyres rather than that chitty road rubber... or you spot some-one with a tartier pair of rear-sets that are 'oh so essential' etc etc etc... and err.. yeah, tyre warmers suddenly become an absolute MUST HAVE item on the inventory.....
THAT is hobbies.... don't matter whether its motorbikes or course fishing, or golf or strangling a guitar.... IT COSTS and will cost as much as you let it, PLUS a bit.... till it starts to hurt....
And the more enthusiasm you have for your new found hobby, the more it gonna cost... the quicker that enthusiasm wanes... so the sooner much of it will have been wasted!!!
Answering your original question... ish.... twenty years ago, when first childling came along, the cost of nappies in bulk, and push-chairs that for some reason were more expensive than my dang car... made me revise my priorities... and motorbike, with only room for two, and not exactly baby compatible, was top target for criticism.....
Now... I parked up the VF-Thou and went back to trials riding... which is probably THE cheapest motor-sport there is in this country... unfortunately it is also one of the most prolific.... and the 'Season' runs from January 1st to December 31st, and most clubs tend to put on about 12 events a year.... but there's a LOT of clubs!!! "Well, each trial is only £5 an entry! What the heck!"
When I lived in the Don Valley, there were actually five trials clubs 'active' in the immediate region, and not just trials on a Sunday, but Saturdays as well, and bank-holidays, A-N-D 'evening-trials' mid-week, PLUS 'training days' and 'practice sessions'!!!! I think I worked out that after Easter, I could near enough do an event a bloomin DAY if I wanted, through till the autumn!
Hmmm..... Well, they are still only a fiver a time..... and how many of them could or would I really be able to tackle? Errr... yeah, well THERE'S a challenge!
In practice, when it came to it, I signed up first with my most local club, which conveniently had 'just' 12 events on its calendar a year... Oh-Kay, not so bad, one a month, and yeah, OK one is a 'two-day' event on a bank-holiday.... but still.....
Unfortunately they had their own quarry to go play in, with a few extra's squeezed into the calendar by way of 'training days' and more or less sanctioned 'practice sessions'....
Even MORE unfortunately.... they 'hosted' events for other clubs...... with entry by invitation to club-members.... ah... so that 12 event calendar, sort of started to mush-room with 'bolt-ons'....
A-N-D..... worse still, the hosted 'gypsy' trials by other clubs were intended to get a bit of cross pollination, and members of both clubs signing up to the other.... which I did!
I ended up riding pretty much fortnightly, with two regular clubs, PLUS the odd gypsy trial with any other on a 'free' Sunday, plus the practice sessions and training days.....
THIS IS NOT a great plan to try 'save' money.... or squeeze the juice from an existing 'spend.
Parking up the VF-Thou.... well, primia-facia, I 'saved' the tax and insurance, and yes, that DID go an awful long way to covering the costs of entries for a year in trials...
In fact, it probably saved enough to pay for an entire season, 'all in' with just the one club, IF I had been a bit stricter on that.
But, as warned... expenditure expands to consume all funds available, PLUS a bit.....
B-U-T VF-Thou.... it was NOT the cheapest road bike to try and run from the outset! And whilst not paying the tax and insurance on the thing, did cover the costs of the club dues and entry fees, plus some, on the trials bike, and not having to replace tyres every 15oo miles went a long way to paying for the petrol and broken mudguards and chit..... an AWFUL lot of that, was actually showing just how much money I 'wasted' on the road bike....... it WAS an expensive indulgence from the beginning...
So we are starting the voodoo maths from a falecie before we begin, and that is that the spend on the road bike, is somehow 'a given' and that that money is available for something else.... in fact, in my case, as it was a second vehicle, what the road-bike cost to run, was NOT a given,it was 100% over and above what I actually needed to spend, and hence 'leisure-expenditure' like going down the pub, or a holiday in Malorca....
Fact I used it to get to and from work... no... NOT really much justification to say that I 'HAD' to spend that money.... I didn't, and if I really wanted to save money, I'd have caught the bus, or bought a push-bike....
And we are into degrees of 'kiddology' trying to justify how shifting one waste of money for another waste of money, is in SOME way 'saving' money....
It's not.... its like when the now ex came back from the super-market, clutching three enormous bottles of cooking oil, and a box of chocolates, and tried to explain that even though she'd spent an extra £30, this was in some way 'saving' because the cooking oil was on offer, three for two... so she'd got one for 'free'.... err no, you spent twice what you needed, to get three times as much as you wanted... BUT some-how, you 'saved' money! Which you felt so good about, meant you thought that that 'saving' some-how paid for the chocolates!!!
You do NOT 'save' money by spending money... you SAVE money by NOT spending money... and 'SAVINGS' are something in the bank, NOT in your head..... or at least real-ones are!!!
MORE WARNING, that is the trap, the Three-For-Two-Deal.... getting you to spend more money than you would, or need, but molifying you with some passifier to make you believe that it was worth while, and you DID actually get value for it....
Ultimately its a spend switch; not a 'saving', and like the supermarket offering the 3 for 2 deal, it 'might' help you save money... IF you dont just use the extra bottle of cooking oil twice as quick, cos you seem to have 'loads', A-N-D you actually like the chocolates....
ULTIMATELY!!!!
That's the crap you have to cut to..... IF you want to go tracking, whether track-days or actual racing, its a spend shift,and a new pursuit.
If the Road-bike, is justified on how much it would cost to get to work... back up, and look at the actual cost of getting to work, and what the actual CHEAPEST way to work would be..... cos you are likely already into kiddolgy kidding yourself how much that bike is 'saving' you to get to work every day, rather than using... oooh,. lets say a 12mpg Bentley!
Start the ecconomics there, with what would be the cheapest way to work; if you cut back all unessential spend, what could you really 'save' as in actually put in the deposit account at the bank....
Then, with some idea of how much you are already 'wasting' on the luxury of leisure activity... ponder how much pleasure you actually get for your pound.....
THEN... with a clear idea of how much you are spending on 'fun' and how much fun you actually get for your money.... do you really think that the 'switch' to tracking, will deliver more? It will almost certainly cost you more one way or another... BUT, is that real actual 'value' from your money?
And think here; five minutes of open road 'fun' tagged on your daily commute, a dozen times a year when the sun-shines.... compared to just one, twenty minute session at say Cadwell? THEN compare that amount of fun, to what ELSE you could do for the same money... like the holiday in malorca, or a week-end at a health spa in the lake district, or whatever.....
And after you have stammered, and muttered,and decided you aren't interested in any of trhat chit, and this ISN'T answering the question, we are back-to-top, and degrees of delusion... in how you kid yourself that tracking or switching to any other sort of hobby HAS to be a good idea and pay for itself, for little other reason than that is what you want to do, and the answer you want to get to......
Remember... expenditure expands to consume the funds available PLUS a bit...... sorry but it be your maths... fudge it how you like... indulge in as much creative accountancy as you think you can get past management... BUT, remember.... savings are something that makes the balance in the deposit account go UP, not down.... |
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If true, prosecute the buggers with the full force of the law. If a fabrication, prosecute LegacyUK likewise.... |
The problem is, the Electoral Commission know for a fact that Muslim communities abuse postal voting to let community leaders use whole blocks of other people's votes to throw at Labour, but can either never find enough proof to prosecute or are too afraid of upsetting the Allah Cart.
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/164609/Electoral-fraud-review-final-report.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3csuUGxDp1hxaoG3mRo6zA2LVq_Df3NBnvoHOY2LlUHaRFkkGp-I6vBoo
Quote: | electoral fraud is more likely to
be committed by or in support of candidates standing for election in areas
which are largely or predominately populated by some South Asian
communities, specifically those with roots in parts of Pakistan or Bangladesh. |
But get this though. the communities commiting the fraud are not the criminals here, as usual, the establishment dress them up as the victims.
Quote: | We have begun further work to identify relevant evidence in order to help
address concerns about the vulnerability of some South Asian communities,
specifically those with roots in parts of Pakistan or Bangladesh, to electoral fraud. |
They know it goes on, but are doing eff all about it, because firstly, those communities hush up and wont give evidence, much like when it comes to FGM prosecutions and secondly, the establishment are too sh1t scared of investigating Muslim communities for the same reasons they failed to protect children in areas where Muslim, mainly Pakistani child sex grooming gangs, were allowed to operate on such as large scale for so long. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Ste wrote: |
In conclusion, anyone who thinks there's something dodgy about the result of the Peterborough by-election is a racist bigot POS who has no place in this modern, progressive society. |
Your own words I presume? Sadly both Labour and Conservative have form for this sort of thing. I am thinking back to the 2010 General Election and what happened where I live in particular.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/major-electoral-fraud-alleged-in-marginal-seat-1982945.html
We badly need a different system because regardless of one's political persuasion, if elections are rigged we don't have a democracy any more. Given that we supposedly value our democracy in Britain, those caught abusing the voting system should IMO face severe sentences and shouldn't be allowed to vote or to canvass again. Likewise those guilty of blatantly lying to the electorate in order to obtain votes should be prosecuted also, regardless of Party. Sort out the corruption and we may begin to have faith in our politicians again.... ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/politics/authorities-insist-no-evidence-of-electoral-fraud-in-the-peterborough-by-election-as-police-investigate-allegations-1-8959871
"Allegations of electoral fraud have been made about last week’s by-election in Peterborough with claims of postal vote rigging and intimidation - but the authorities insist there is no evidence of any wrongdoing.
Labour’s Lisa Forbes won the seat by 683 votes ahead of the Brexit Party’s Mike Greene, but a senior Conservative has alleged there was “harvesting” of postal votes, while the Tories have highlighted the involvement in the campaign of Labour activist Tariq Mahmood who was jailed in 2008 for postal vote interference.
Mr Mahmood was pictured with Ms Forbes and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn during the campaign and was also present at the election count - just as he has been at previous elections.
However, Labour has categorically denied that Mr Mahmood had any involvement in the campaign.
Cambridgeshire police is currently investigating two allegations of electoral fraud, including one message shared on social media allegedly showing someone bragging that he and two others had ‘burned more than 1,000 votes for the Brexit Party’.
Mr Greene, responding to it on Twitter, wrote: “Just not funny... if even 1 persons vote was destroyed then our democracy is threatened. More than ever we need to #ChangePoliticsForGood
“(NAME DELETED) should be investigated - this kind of post just spreads hate.”
The second incident being investigated is a report of a “suspicious incident involving postal votes on Tuesday (June 4)”, a police spokesman said.
He added: “Peterborough City Council and Cambridgeshire Constabulary are working closely to reduce the risk of election fraud and ensure voters have confidence in the electoral system.”
Peterborough City Council, which ran the election, has been inundated with so many queries and complaints that it issued a lengthy statement on Monday evening to try and reassure people that there was no evidence to suggest wrongdoing.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/tories-mysterious-silence-over-dodgy-by-election/
"It soon became apparent that the Peterborough result was an outlier in several respects. First, it had defied most psephological predictions.
Second, the size of the Labour vote looked an outlier against the general run of polling. In the 2016 EU Referendum, Peterborough voted 61:39 for Leave. The estimate of its vote, contained within that for the East of England region, in the EU Parliament elections on 23 May showed the Brexit Party on 32 per cent against Labour’s 22 per cent. The differences from the YouGov poll of Westminster voting-intention taken on the same day look marked.
It didn’t take long for indications to emerge of where the reasons for the apparent anomaly might lie. The lights started flashing amber even before the count, when the unusually high proportion of the turnout – itself high for a by-election at 48 per cent – that was accounted for by postal votes was revealed, namely no less than 69 per cent. That’s about 50 per cent higher than the largest ratio of postal votes to overall turnout previously recorded.
Commentators soon picked up on the fact that among Labour’s local campaign team was one Tariq Mahmood, a convicted vote-rigger, as well as the appointment by Jeremy Corbyn to his party HQ staff of Marsha-Jane Thompson, herself possessor of a criminal conviction for electoral fraud.
Pressure is mounting on the Electoral Commission to mount a formal investigation, and as this article was being completed unconfirmed reports were circulating that Peterborough Council had launched its own investigation after numerous complaints.
A comprehensive summary of all these events and their background can be read here.
Yet on this, intriguingly, the ‘Conservative’ Party has been noticeably silent. The Tories appear to be virtually ignoring the mounting accusations of Labour’s potentially criminal electoral fraud via postal vote rigging. One might reasonably have expected them, if not to raise objections immediately, at least to be joining in the growing expressions of concern and suspicion. After all, their candidate was affected by it too."
https://www.politicalite.com/election-2019/exclusive-fraud-convicts-and-ethnic-exploitation-how-peterborough-was-really-won/
https://www.politicalite.com/peterborough-by-election/exclusive-labour-and-pboro-council-deny-vote-rigger-was-there-heres-proof-he-was/
https://humanevents.com/2019/06/11/brexit-party-burned-ballots-voter-fraud-under-investigation/
"Police are investigating allegedly burned ballots while voter fraud questions are being raised over the result of the Peterborough by-election (special election) in the United Kingdom last week.
A local Labour Party campaigner previously convicted of electoral fraud was present throughout the campaign and, critically, at the official election count.
The result – declared late Thursday night – saw Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party denied its first seat in parliament by just 683 votes.
Long time Labour Party activist Tariq Mahmood – convicted in 2008 for a vote fabrication scheme – was “front and centre” of the party’s efforts to mobilize the growing Muslim vote in the city, according to local officials.
Tariq Mahmood is a well-known local Labour Party activist, finding most of his fame due to his electoral fraud conviction and his racist remarks about Conservative Party Member of Parliament Sajid Javid.
The lettings agency boss branded Javid – now running for leadership of the Conservative Party – a “coconut”, a well-known racial slur in South Asian communities. The insult is the equivalent of the phrase “house negro”, especially used by hard-line Muslims against moderates, or apostates.
Mahmood admitted to campaigning for the Labour Party during the recent election despite his previous conviction. He was pictured with the Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn as well as the party’s winning candidate Lisa Forbes on several occasions. Despite numerous pictures uploaded to his Facebook page over several weeks, Mahmood claims he only “met Jeremy Corbyn once”.
The deputy leader of Peterborough Council Wayne Fitzgerald said this weekend “Tariq Mahmood is a villain and he was front and centre of the Labour campaign within the Muslim community.
“We receive repeated reports of postal fraud and personation within the largely urban central parts of the city where the Labour vote is strongest.”
A former Member of Parliament for the area, Stewart Jackson, added: “Tariq Mahmood should not be involved in politics at all. He has a record for voter fraud and the fact that he is so close to the Labour campaign speaks volumes about the rottenness of the current Labour Party.”
POSTAL VOTES
Postal voting fraud concerns are rife in the United Kingdom, which like the U.S., currently has no widespread voter identification laws.
The Peterborough Council website states: “Postal voting is now available in England, Scotland and Wales on request, for all elections. You do not need to give any reason for wanting a postal vote.”
The relatively new introduction of the scheme has been leveraged at an industrial scale by the Labour Party for years. The Guardian notes postal voting as the third top reason for Labour beating the Brexit Party last week. The left-wing New Statesman even gloated about the matter, with Stephen Bush writing:
The Brexit Party didn’t have the time to find its most committed voters, let alone get them onto postal votes, and would have been unable to even attempt to persuade and convert the voters who had long since voted for its opponents by post.
Turnout was especially high for postal votes at the recent by-election, with 69.4 per cent being returned versus an in-person turnout of just 48.4 per cent.
There were 9,898 postal votes cast at the election, with 400 rejected of a total 33,920 votes."
In conclusion, anyone who thinks there's something dodgy about the result of the Peterborough by-election is a racist bigot POS who has no place in this modern, progressive society. |
Why was a Labour convicted vote rigger allowed at the count? I wonder why 5% of postal votes were rejected too? Wrong party maybe? ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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The problem is, the Electoral Commission know for a fact that Muslim communities abuse postal voting to let community leaders use whole blocks of other people's votes to throw at Labour, but can either never find enough proof to prosecute or are too afraid of upsetting the Allah Cart.
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It is more complicated than that. People in tight communities like the Kashmiri one in Halifax won't testify against their own because the repucussions for individuals and families not just in the immediate area but in Pakistan as well would be too severe. Its not like they could testify then simply move to another area. Unfortunately people with power take advantage of this fact.
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Posted: 10:29 - 12 Jun 2019 Post subject: Re: Peterborough By-Election. |
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Diggs wrote: | mpd72 wrote: |
The problem is, the Electoral Commission know for a fact that Muslim communities abuse postal voting to let community leaders use whole blocks of other people's votes to throw at Labour, but can either never find enough proof to prosecute or are too afraid of upsetting the Allah Cart.
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It is more complicated than that. People in tight communities like the Kashmiri one in Halifax won't testify against their own because the repucussions for individuals and families not just in the immediate area but in Pakistan as well would be too severe. Its not like they could testify then simply move to another area. Unfortunately people with power take advantage of this fact.
Have you made the bit up about 'upsetting the Allah cart', or do you have evidence of this? |
Much like the authorities being found guilty of and criticised for not protecting child sex grooming victims for so long, why do you think the authorities are too terrified to investigate nasty practices almost exclusive to Muslim communities?
"Race card" in 123....
The electoral commission know its going on in Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities but nothing is being done about it. We both know that not only do the communities hush up, as you've just agreed with, but also the authorities are terrified of investigating ethnic communities for fear of "upsetting the Allah cart". ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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I'm not sure that the Electoral Commission is overly concerned about the ethnicity of the people it investigates. It is a quango and doesn't rely upon votes for its existence, unlike a Local Authority.
The problem is lack of evidence, not a lack of people to investigate:
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AshWebster wrote: | Diggs wrote: | I'm not sure that the Electoral Commission is overly concerned about the ethnicity of the people it investigates. |
you're either dumb or supidly stubborn if you think that.
everyone knows race/ethnicity plays a massive part in events, even though we all know it shouldnt. from both sides of the fence (prejudice or false prejudice claims) |
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Perhaps I'm both. The stats don't break down into ethnicity however, so whilst 'everybody knows', in reality everybody doesn't. Like I said before, if they are guilty, throw the book at them.... |
We both know Muslim communities won’t come clean on fraud, so how do you envisage them being caught?
Personally, I think postal voting needs restricting to those who need it, not those who wish to ensure Labour win a seat by cheating.
All of the areas identified by the Electoral Commission as vulnerable to fraud are Labour seats with much higher than average Muslim communities. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it’s unlikely to be a goat. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Still doesn’t explain the other anomalies, not why even though Labour and the Council are saying the convicted fraudster wasn’t part of the campaign or at the count, many who were, say he was and people have photos to prove so.
We’ll never get to the bottom of this, so it’s pointless expecting an investigation to find otherwise. It does however, highlight how postal voting is being abused and needs better control. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Hawkeye1250FA wrote: | mpd72 wrote: | Still doesn’t explain the other anomalies, not why even though Labour and the Council are saying the convicted fraudster wasn’t part of the campaign or at the count, many who were, say he was and people have photos to prove so.
We’ll never get to the bottom of this, so it’s pointless expecting an investigation to find otherwise. It does however, highlight how postal voting is being abused and needs better control. |
How does this "highlight how postal voting is being abused and needs better control"?
That's a bit of a leap for me from "these numbers look fraudulent .... Oh no hang on they are right, my bad." |
70% postal vote turn out? Muslim campaigners with a conviction of vote fraud? The thing is, the Electoral Commission knows is goes on and knows the areas and communities most “vulnerable”, but seem toothless in doing anything about it.
Did you have a quick scan of the report into fraud, which I posted earlier? (09.47) ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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