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octusis
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 12 Jun 2019    Post subject: GS550 Wont Rev Past 6000-7000rpm Under load Reply with quote

Bike seems to rev fine in neutral, 9k-10k rpm, as soon as you put it in gear and ride it around it doesnt like to go anywhere above 7k, it also seems to make some noise when its under load aswell, but only when it hits 6-7k, any help very appreciated!
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 12 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Needs more fuel under load so does it have a vacuum operated fuel tap or a PRI position?
Has anybody tampered with the carbs?
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PostPosted: 06:52 - 14 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simple things first, drain the float bowls as if you have water i there it can cause this. Then the fuel tap and its operation.
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PostPosted: 00:33 - 23 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
Needs more fuel under load so does it have a vacuum operated fuel tap or a PRI position?
Has anybody tampered with the carbs?


We have cleaned them pretty good, as for the fuel tap, it is vacuum operated, i've just realized today that it'll rev out when the gas in the tank is very low, but other than that, when its full it just sputters at around 6-7k
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PostPosted: 00:35 - 23 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

temeluchus wrote:
Simple things first, drain the float bowls as if you have water i there it can cause this. Then the fuel tap and its operation.


The carbs have been cleaned very good, as for the fuel tap i'm not sure to what lines run where, i've got the main fitting going into the line for the carbs, the little one i'm not sure where it hooks up to on this bike, i havent been able to find anything on it

Update - i've figured out where the vacuum line goes (i'm almost positive) and still the same issue.
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PostPosted: 03:11 - 23 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

open the fuel cap and see if it runs properly. Could be a blocked breather.
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PostPosted: 04:50 - 23 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

temeluchus wrote:
open the fuel cap and see if it runs properly. Could be a blocked breather.


Fuel cap has been completely removed the whole time and still the same issue. I'm stumped, it doesn't seem to make sense how it only struggles under load
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 23 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has it got a good fuel flow to the carbs?
I`m assuming the fuel level in the carbs are correct when the float needles shut the fuel supply off!
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 23 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's only struggling under load because the problem is related to getting enough fuel, rather than related to revs. It takes very little power to get an engine to 9000rpm with no load. It takes ten times as much (rough figure, don't go autistic) to get there with a load on the engine.

It could also be electrical, but let's look at fuel first.

At medium to high engine loads the fuel is flowing through the main jet, up the emulsion tube, and around the side of the needle. If any of these parts are blocked, broken, worn, the wrong size or the wrong setting (for needle height), it won't make power.

In addition, if the fuel height is wrong in the float bowls you'll get problems, or if you have an air leak due to a poorly fitted or cracked inlet rubber, or a missing cap on one or more balancing ports (where you fit the carb balancers).

So, job number one, make sure the carbs are set up according to the factory settings and clean. Bits to check are:
1. Mixture screw position - not a problem in this case, but good to check while you're down there. Factory setting is normally around 2 turns out.
2. Needle height.
3. Jet sizes and condition.
4. Float height.
5. On CV carbs, is the diaphragm in good condition.

You could also have an upstream fuel supply problem - fuel filter or tap clogged. In that case it would probably start and have power for a few minutes, then lose power as the float bowls empty and aren't refilled quickly enough.

Finally, for added fun, I know the GS650 can be an utter bastard to make it behave when you fit a fuel filter. So if you recently fitted a fuel filter and it started misbehaving, try without it.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 23 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
Has it got a good fuel flow to the carbs?
I`m assuming the fuel level in the carbs are correct when the float needles shut the fuel supply off!


I've popped the screws out at the bottom of the bowls to see if they are getting fuel and they all seem to have a good amount, and as for the level of the floats i'm not sure what the spec is for this bike and couldnt seem to find anything online
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 23 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
It's only struggling under load because the problem is related to getting enough fuel, rather than related to revs. It takes very little power to get an engine to 9000rpm with no load. It takes ten times as much (rough figure, don't go autistic) to get there with a load on the engine.

It could also be electrical, but let's look at fuel first.

At medium to high engine loads the fuel is flowing through the main jet, up the emulsion tube, and around the side of the needle. If any of these parts are blocked, broken, worn, the wrong size or the wrong setting (for needle height), it won't make power.

In addition, if the fuel height is wrong in the float bowls you'll get problems, or if you have an air leak due to a poorly fitted or cracked inlet rubber, or a missing cap on one or more balancing ports (where you fit the carb balancers).

So, job number one, make sure the carbs are set up according to the factory settings and clean. Bits to check are:
1. Mixture screw position - not a problem in this case, but good to check while you're down there. Factory setting is normally around 2 turns out.
2. Needle height.
3. Jet sizes and condition.
4. Float height.
5. On CV carbs, is the diaphragm in good condition.

You could also have an upstream fuel supply problem - fuel filter or tap clogged. In that case it would probably start and have power for a few minutes, then lose power as the float bowls empty and aren't refilled quickly enough.

Finally, for added fun, I know the GS650 can be an utter bastard to make it behave when you fit a fuel filter. So if you recently fitted a fuel filter and it started misbehaving, try without it.


We've been through the carbs as far as cleaning and float height settings, as for the float heights I do not know what to set for these carbs as I can't find anywhere that shows the right spec, It seems to me its got plenty of gas but I could be wrong. Needle height I'm not sure how to adjust on these to be completely honest this is my first bike i've had with diaphragms like this. For the mixture screw position, are these in the bowls? Because I can't find any screws on the outside of the carbs, only thing I can see is the idle knob and from my past experience with bikes its always been a little screw on the outside
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 24 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

octusis wrote:
jaffa90 wrote:
Has it got a good fuel flow to the carbs?
I`m assuming the fuel level in the carbs are correct when the float needles shut the fuel supply off!


I've popped the screws out at the bottom of the bowls to see if they are getting fuel and they all seem to have a good amount, and as for the level of the floats i'm not sure what the spec is for this bike and couldnt seem to find anything online


You no answer question, i said fuel flow to the carbs not fuel in the carbs.
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PostPosted: 01:06 - 24 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
Has it got a good fuel flow to the carbs?
I`m assuming the fuel level in the carbs are correct when the float needles shut the fuel supply off!


You no answer question, i said fuel flow to the carbs not fuel in the carbs.[/quote]

My bad, the flow to the carbs seems as it should. No interference or anything
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PostPosted: 01:28 - 24 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are happy with the fuel supply how about the spark advance and retard mechanism working ok?
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PostPosted: 02:42 - 24 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
If you are happy with the fuel supply how about the spark advance and retard mechanism working ok?


Yes it seems so, i'm almost starting to lean towards the float setting being off, I'm going to go out tomorrow and mess with it but I believe it could be too rich, will keep updated
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 25 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update: I'm pretty sure I've got the bike running better, I lowered the float level to make it more lean, it must've been dumping raw gas through the jet (i'm guessing) I appreciate all the help and if this helps anyone else going through the same issue then great
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 26 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you guess the float height, or set it according to the workshop manual?

Good that its running better, but you should set up carbs properly. The settings will be in the Haynes/Clymer/Manufacturer workshop manual. If you can't find a digital copy from googling, it should be less than £20 on ebay.
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 28 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
Did you guess the float height, or set it according to the workshop manual?

Good that its running better, but you should set up carbs properly. The settings will be in the Haynes/Clymer/Manufacturer workshop manual. If you can't find a digital copy from googling, it should be less than £20 on ebay.


I've got the spec for them, I'm just not sure EXACTLY where to measure from the float. They're stepped floats so I'm not sure if i've got to set them from the higher step by the float pin or where they step down at
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PostPosted: 23:43 - 28 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you any SIDE pics of the floats hanging down and again with the carbs upside down with the floats in the shut off position?

Also are the float valves sprung loaded?
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 29 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds like the floats are in upside down.

Usually the bottom of the float is flat, and the top is profiled to sit into the carb body around all of its curves and protrusions.
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