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Posted: 22:05 - 02 Jun 2019 Post subject: A Chernobyl liquidator comments declassified footage |
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Link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd5ODiYRt4y5G8iscMZtIeQ
English subtitles included. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Polarbear wrote: | I suppose it's never really the time to ask but it being the Soviet Union at the time, did they have a choice? |
The liquidator said, that the soldiers and labourers were there willingly. Motivated by ''easy'' money and national pride. He also says, in one of those videos, that they targeted men of certain age (35 or 40+) with children, as all that radiation probably turned every man sterile. He also says many people were sad they couldn't go there, to help.
But he talks about liquidation of the disaster, not the first response teams, which might have been given a direct order. So it was either that or gulag. Especially the helicopter pilots, as I doubt there were in abundence, at that time.
Either way, I can see a huge political/social benefits for everyone who went there. As it was customary, a good comrade had to be a loyal party member and/or a valuable member of the society to be granted certain benefits, such as being allowed to buy a car, to travel outside the USSR, your children being able to study, getting a flat/house was also something that could be helped with a perfect ''social score'', which is something China still uses, even today.
They also probably didn't see the risks involved. The liquidator even pointed out, that the official radiation exposure readings/records were tampered with. He had two dozimeters, one for the official readings and one for his own readings. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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https://i.imgur.com/hazAkBQ.jpg
When I worked contracts, for five years I worked for the company who designed and built the sarcophagus.
Nothing to do with me personally, but a lot of the people I worked with, eventually, went out to construct it, some very clever people on that project!
They gave us a few seminars about the project and the design process.
The company had been designing it for a long time, they had a few "publicity" drawings and a couple of animations on the, proposed, build process. The rest of it was, no doubt, under lock and key and obviously, not available to the likes of me!
In fact, if you've seen the documentary, about the construction of the sarcophagus, some of the animations of the processes where the same ones we'd been shown years before. ____________________ "Everybody needs money, that's why they call it money!" |
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Sister Sledge wrote: | Fukushima was a real surprise for me because it was built with earthquakes in mind and yet still failed. |
Yes, however it was not the earthquake that caused the events, it was the tsunami, for which the powerplant was not prepared for. They also put all the emergency diesel generators in the basement of the powerplant (below the sea level), which apparently got flooded by the tsunami as well, so the powerplant was out of power, therefore the coolant pumps were not working, which caused the overheating. Many criticised the design of the plant afterwards. The wave barriers should have been much higher and/or the emergency power generators elsewhere. The floodgates couldn't handle the brute force of the tsunami either.
The operators of Fukushima plant even had to use car batteries to get at least some power into the measuring devices, so they could check the situation.
https://www.fepc.or.jp/english/nuclear/power_generation/overview/__icsFiles/afieldfile/2016/04/15/10-2-3.gif ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Interesting stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CJoF4Z_-Ro ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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So they've built a shed to cover the shed that was crumbling.
They cannot paint the new shed to protect it so they've got a dehumidifier in said shed.
They're going to dismantle the old shed using remote controlled wire and pulley systems that are installed in the new shed.
Then they'll dismantle and clean-up the site of the old reactor #4.
Then they'll dig big f-off holes and bury some bits and the more fruity stuff will be put into water filled concrete boxes and monitored.
Est length of time for keeping an eye on it, twenty thousand years (about 50 generations per 1,000 years).
So yeah, some of the best scientists, engineers and designers have built a sophisticated shed that should last 100 years, or long enough to at least hopefully remove the waste.
Feel free to flesh out my simplistic understanding or indeed correct it but I still maintain that nuclear energy can do one. ____________________ Diabolical homemade music Bandcamp and Soundcloud
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Aye, obtaining and burning fossil fuels account for more deaths than nuclear energy. I daresay over the course of history deaths by fall from horse is right up there too (but death by horse poo is very low).
I don't trust governments and organisations to look after it. Much will change over the next couple of hundred years as it always has.
Not fair to leave a shit in the toilet for the next user.
30 odd years from Chernobyl and still some farms in Scotland cannot operate as a farm.
So many better and safer and cleaner ways to produce energy, yet here we are still fiddling about with old bomb making tech from the 1940s that makes an awful mess should it not run perfectly.
Oi! Nuclear energy...... do one ____________________ Diabolical homemade music Bandcamp and Soundcloud
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 352 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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