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PostPosted: 17:11 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Make your own.... Reply with quote

I love watching 'Forged in Fire' and keep suggesting I could make a forge and try making knives. Trouble is wifey throws the veto card into the pot. Evil or Very Mad

So, it seems you can go one step further than knives now, make your own working gun with a 3D printer. Laughing Thumbs Up

https://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/first-uk-conviction-for-making-a-gun-with-a-3d-printer-11364370765672

I know nothing about this stuff. Would it be easy to do, and by working do they mean it would actually operate and shoot with ammo or it just goes through the motions and would happily blow your hand off if you tried to shoot a pikey.

It's pretty ugly though, can't you make a pretty one?

https://home.bt.com/images/first-uk-conviction-for-making-a-gun-with-a-3d-printer-136437076557340701-190619150018.jpg

In current affairs because you can bet every gangsta is out buying a 3D printer as we speak Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gee-wiz, have you been in a coma? 3D-printing guns has been a thing for years!

Admittedly the first efforts were definitely the "handheld firework" variety but things have improved...

While you can print metal now the crucial parts of a gun - the barrel and breech - really need to be made out of some tough stuff if you want to put more than a round or two through the thing. Everything else though: body, grips, mags, etc. are all fair game for the traditional 3d-printer.

Back when the first gun plans went viral the Main Stream Hysteria went totally bat shit crazy about the tsunami of printed weapons about to hit the streets.

Thing is though anyone with some basic workshop tools could make perfectly serviceable guns waaaaaaaaaaaay before 3d printers were even a concept.

3d printed guns that may kill or maim the user on the first use = SEXY

Men in lockups reactivating guns and converting blank firers = NOT SEXY
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

3D printed guns do work but are a bad idea. For a start you'll need to get your hands on rimfire bullets which is very difficult without a licence and you aren't going to be rolling your own. The simplest and safest option is steel hydraulic rated tubing with a shotgun shell in it. Shotguns are stupidly simple.

A legal shotgun is quite easy to obtain though. All you need is a shotgun certificate.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bullets aren't hard to make... getting the powder would be the tough part!

Funny, easy as shotguns are to make or obtain they don't seem to have much caché with drug dealers Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

If, instead of using it to make things, you used 3D printing to make forms for casting, there is a whole hell of a lot you could make much better, more quickly and cheaply. Be that resin casting for plastics or metal casting of illegal firearms.

3D print ONE, make a silicone putty mould of it. Make lots more.
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Delicious irony, it was my 3d printed gun that shot out all Polarbears boat windows. Cool
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Re: Make your own.... Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
So, it seems you can go one step further than knives now, make your own working gun with a 3D printer. Laughing Thumbs Up

https://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/first-uk-conviction-for-making-a-gun-with-a-3d-printer-11364370765672

I know nothing about this stuff. Would it be easy to do, and by working do they mean it would actually operate and shoot with ammo or it just goes through the motions and would happily blow your hand off if you tried to shoot a pikey.

It's pretty ugly though, can't you make a pretty one?


How quaint! A "pepperpot" 6-shot Derringer- pistol! A .22 I should think. The chambers would probably need reinforcing but I doubt that would be too difficult. Completely manual (cocking and turning).
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minty wrote:
Delicious irony, it was my 3d printed gun that shot out all Polarbears boat windows. Cool


Ooops. I wonder whether or not he's finished fixing them yet...
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 20 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
Minty wrote:
Delicious irony, it was my 3d printed gun that shot out all Polarbears boat windows. Cool


Ooops. I wonder whether or not he's finished fixing them yet...


Cvnts Laughing

Yes, fixed ages ago with polycarbonate.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 20 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

With guns the hardest part is obtaining ammunition.
I wouldn't trust a plastic-based weapon though. Even if it had metal components within.

As mentioned, shotguns are easy to make.
I mean look at these: Just a firing mechanism for blank alarm cartridges:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bisley-Alarm-Mine/323801159027?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122125356%26meid%3D8ca87635dd9e4e7abb7a53548438a2b3%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D263397247668%26itm%3D323801159027&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

And those cartridges can be had without a licence. So easy to customise those things:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12g-12-Gauge-Saluting-Refill-Alarm-Mine-Henry-Blank-Like-Krank-Bisley-Shotgun/192946388886?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122125356%26meid%3D072554c52f904a418f193e1412109b99%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D323801159027%26itm%3D192946388886&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

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PostPosted: 12:31 - 20 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or how about these? Cheap, no ticket needed and have plenty of oommph. Just needs something in front of them and you have a lethal weapon.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nail-Gun-Cartridges-DX-Hilti-Compatible-Light-Medium-Heavy-Duty/332056077816?hash=item4d5015a5f8:m:m6as_FgLvXULrg56uKem1xg&frcectupt=true
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 20 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sister Sledge wrote:
With guns the hardest part is obtaining ammunition.
I wouldn't trust a plastic-based weapon though. Even if it had metal components within...


Um, hate to be the bearer of bad news but most guns are made of polymer now with only the essential components made of old-skool metal.

AFAIK something like the Glock 23 (a popular small calibre pistol) only has the barrel, springs and sears made of metal.
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 20 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

HardlyDavidson wrote:
Sister Sledge wrote:
With guns the hardest part is obtaining ammunition.
I wouldn't trust a plastic-based weapon though. Even if it had metal components within...


Um, hate to be the bearer of bad news but most guns are made of polymer now with only the essential components made of old-skool metal.

AFAIK something like the Glock 23 (a popular small calibre pistol) only has the barrel, springs and sears made of metal.


But a 3D printed gun uses a resin based barrel which is the problem. Plastic is not good at containing high pressures.
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 20 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why print a barrel thats likely to explode on first use when every school has a lathe?
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 20 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

HardlyDavidson wrote:
Um, hate to be the bearer of bad news but most guns are made of polymer now with only the essential components made of old-skool metal.

AFAIK something like the Glock 23 (a popular small calibre pistol) only has the barrel, springs and sears made of metal.


A Glock 23 is not a small-calibre pistol, and you will not have seen one in this country.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 21 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

HardlyDavidson wrote:
Sister Sledge wrote:
With guns the hardest part is obtaining ammunition.
I wouldn't trust a plastic-based weapon though. Even if it had metal components within...


Um, hate to be the bearer of bad news but most guns are made of polymer now with only the essential components made of old-skool metal.

AFAIK something like the Glock 23 (a popular small calibre pistol) only has the barrel, springs and sears made of metal.


The only thing on a glock that's plastic is the lower frame (With metal inserts for strenth and as bearing surface for slide movement), trigger blade, magazine floor plate and mag release button
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 21 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Riejufixing wrote:

A Glock 23 is not a small-calibre pistol, and you will not have seen one in this country.


They’re used extensively in this country by armed forces, NI police, specialist firearms police in Scotland and the Met.

Check your Ladybird book of guns.


You too.. they don't use 23's they use 17's 19's and maybe 34's
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 21 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Why print a barrel thats likely to explode on first use when every school has a lathe?


Metal detection maybe? It does seem odd when you could easily put a metal pipe down the barrel as a liner.


You could (probably) make a safe and effective non-metal gun, just not with a 3D printer. Carbon/kevlar composites could withstand quite a lot of pressure but probably can't have rifling or much lifespan. Carbon fibre barrels do exist but they have a steel core. A shotgun would be easy, albeit expensive, and probably nobody would sell you one with zero metal content because its application is obvious.

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You too.. they don't use 23's they use 17's 19's and maybe 34's


Yeah 23 is common among US police but not used in UK.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 21 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm itching to show how easily it could be done in a shed but fear a knock at the door!

I do know someone who was sent down for making live rifles from air rifles. He was good with hand tools and it was all done at home. As I'd said, ammunition is key to making your own.
Saying that, you could mill down some simple ingredients (aluminium foil etc) and make your own charge.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 21 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fairly sure I read somewhere that there's a lot more polymer parts in the later gen Glock 23, anyhoo...

Plastic gun to get through airport scanners? Maybe old skool x-rays but don't they use microwave stuff now? Regardless, how are you going to get around the bullets being made of metal?!
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 21 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

HardlyDavidson wrote:
I fairly sure I read somewhere that there's a lot more polymer parts in the later gen Glock 23, anyhoo...



Nope, although I did ommit the trigger housing that's small polymer part. nothing in the guns upper is polymer, a 23 is just a 19 (gen 4) chambered in .40
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 21 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which one am I thinking of... a compact Glock with a (mostly) polymer slide?
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