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Posted: 17:54 - 15 Jul 2019 Post subject: |
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Confused as what this has to do with "Workshop"..
Unless OP is looking at how to fix the daughter, but pic's will be needed on that 1st
Any bike can be a tourer/commuter. Have done it on a DT 125 before. Bikes are never going to have great weather protection.
Also don't think that because it's a 125 it will stop her getting further points... That is purely down to her. ____________________ Just because my bike was A DIVVY, does not mean i am...... |
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iooi wrote: | Confused as what this has to do with "Workshop"..
Unless OP is looking at how to fix the daughter, but pic's will be needed on that 1st
Any bike can be a tourer/commuter. Have done it on a DT 125 before. Bikes are never going to have great weather protection.
Also don't think that because it's a 125 it will stop her getting further points... That is purely down to her. |
Oops sorry wrong section, my bad!
I take what you're saying about ANY bike being capable of the commute and whatever she rides there'll be a certain amount of wind and rain, but we're trying to select the best bike for the job so that the misery in the winter is minimised as much as possible. If I took that advice at face value I might as well stick her on my 50cc Di Blasi right?
But yeah as you rightly say ultimately it's up to her how she rides and uses the roads in respect to not making the same mistake again and losing her licence again. I do maintain though she's almost certainly LESS LIKELY to lose it on a 125 than in a car. I wasn't implying she'd be immune from the law on a 125. Will she learn from her mistake? She hasn't got a good track record of learning from her mistakes so the chances are slim LOL but as you rightly said that's down to her. I can help her as much as possible but ultimately it's in her hands. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. |
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Lucy S wrote: | as you rightly say ultimately it's up to her |
You need a big doe of NMP I think.. she'd old nough to get a lience and loose it, she old enough to sort herself out without your help... you will be wrong whatever you do anyway, as mention of scoots suggests...
Meanwile, 125's is 125's and gobsones, theres no good choices just less daaft ones... meanwhile, IME motorbikes and stables don't mix well.... but that another yarn... and STIL N<P lety her sorty it out, you do NOT to do it for her... I mean will you be there on her wedding night pivkung the flavoyur of condom for her? At some point she has to do stuff for herseld... and making it 'easy' gettig her on a bike, coc she effed up cars AINT going to help her learn to do for herself and not eff upp... just that 'some-one' namely YOU will always be there to make life easy no matter how bad she effs up...
I dount you'll heed this advice, but hey.... its there, take ut or leave it.....
AS for the bike.. hoe much ,pmey she got, how far she prepared to go to get one?
All in, it may be as expensive to bite the bullet and get a cheap car or do DAS, but it STILL NMP... poinrt her at the web-sites, show her how to use a spread sheet and sort herself out.... ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Hey, she could buy my Superlight! It's even lower than the CBF125 and I would say probably the only thing someone 5'1" could get away with However, zero weather protection (you could fit an aftermarket screen I suppose) and will only cruise at 50 on the dual carriageways.
Easy of use, comfort on a long ride, good weather protection, petite... sorry, all that says scooter
Beggars can't be choosers! ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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I can't help but think even insurance on a 125 is going to be crippling for a 20yo with 9 points already. Plus, one has to think if she doesn't have the nouse to avoid what I assume is 3 speeding tickets, does she really have the nouse to ride a motorcycle on the road safely?
If I were you, I'd be telling her to buy a bus pass, but I'm not her parent.
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Quote: | a capable 125 of holding it's own on dual-carriageways and motorways as well as having plenty of wind and rain protection and being comfortable to ride over a long period of time. |
Fantasy land really, what you've described there is a car, or a large capacity tourer perhaps. No 125 has good road presence. No 125 will really cruise happily (Some will do it, but I'd argue the happily part) at 70mph plus (unless it needs expensive rebuilds every 10k miles and is likely running illegal levels of power). Not many 125's have a protective full fairing. Those that do have a small full fairing will not be comfortable.
It's also worth noting she will not be able to use motorways unless she does her full license. If she really has got to go all over the country with race horses, she's going to take a lot of time doing that.
Honestly I can't really see any other option than bus pass or train season ticket time. Or she can buy a scoot and put up with being cold and wet like the rest of us did when we had a bike as our only transport, and take far longer to get to her destination than she otherwise might.
To be honest, if she was my daughter I'd be telling her to sort out her own mess. She's going to need to learn soon enough, and she doesn't really have the luxury of choosing a bike for looks now she's f*ed up one too many times.
Sometimes if we screw up, we have to sacrifice our dream job at least until we've paid our dues. It might be harsh punishment perhaps, but I'd honestly be that concerned about her safety on the road if she isn't observant enough to spot a policeman or a camera. 3 times. ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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Yamaha MT125 is a decent physical size and is one of the faster 125s out there but there's the problem of handing
over dat 4k for a 125....
4k
for a 125...
Here's someone with empty pockets riding one to give you an idea of size. Varadero might be too tall for her*.
(*avoids legover joke beautifully)
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It still costs me about half what it costs to insure my MT09 full comp to insure my 125 scoot tpft despite full licence,
years of ncb, not my main bike etc plus obviously I haven't had a ban. Personally I'd bet it was a swab test, a mate
of mine just got swabbed positive for cocaine he consumed 3 days previously. Awaiting lab results as we speak
to determine quantity in his system. Rather him than me. He's shitting it a bit. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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Wow I had do double check when I read all the replies that I hadn't inadvertently posted on Mumsnet. Generally speaking I go there for parenting advice and here for biking advice but it seems the world has been tipped upside down.
While I accept what some of you are saying that it's her fault she should sort it out, and I do agree with this to a certain extent, the fact is if she's not able to get to and from work then she's not able to pay her own way and we either have to support her or kick her out. Neither of which is ideal. Better to give her a bit of support in getting back on the road and being able to pay her own way.
The quid bet goes to MarJay as he was closest. Careless driving (which I think is slightly different to DWDCAA). She was involved in a very minor accident with an off duty policeman. She should have given way at a mini roundabout but clearly wasn't paying attention. He reported her for the offence and the CPS gave her a conditional offer of a driver improvement course instead of prosecution. The feckless lazy cowbag couldn't be arsed to pick up the phone and book a place on the course despite me and DH nagging her daily to do so. Next thing you know the time allowed to book it has passed before she bothered to pick up the phone and it goes to court instead. I took her to court but didn't go in with her as she wanted her BF with her instead, I'm guessing they took a dim view on her antics so threw the book at her.
So yeah, totally her own doing and I've very little sympathy, not making any excuses for her whatsoever, but unless we're prepared to see her kicked out on the street or simply keep funding her unemployed arse, the best thing to do is give her a bit of help and encouragement with getting back on the road as we live rurally and you have to drive to get anywhere. Yes she could move to a town or a city and find work but without a job in the first place how is she going to afford the deposit on a flat? It's catch 22! This has to be the best way forward.
Teflon-Mike wrote: | Meanwile, 125's is 125's and gobsones, theres no good choices just less daaft ones |
In that case would you care to contribute something useful, other than your parenting pearls of wisdom of course, and suggest some 'less daft' bikes we should be considering?
HardlyDavidson wrote: | Easy of use, comfort on a long ride, good weather protection, petite... sorry, all that says scooter
Beggars can't be choosers! |
I have to agree. As you rightly said beggars can't be choosers. Plus I'm not sure she can be trusted to look after a chain. The more I think about it the more it's pointing towards a scooter. The PCX125 is a good looking scooter and they seem to be everywhere. There's more of them for sale on Auto Trader than any other 125 scooter. That has to say something for the bike. |
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MarJay wrote: | I can't help but think even insurance on a 125 is going to be crippling for a 20yo with 9 points already. |
MarJay wrote: | Either way the insurance company will either say "£10k please!" or "Hahahahaha!" |
MarJay wrote: | Actually my quid goes on driving without due care... Driving without insurance is 6-8 points. |
Can't believe you hit the nail on the head three times in a row.
While I was composing my last post I was also trying to get some insurance quotes. The results were almost exactly what you predicted. I decided to submit my last post in its entirety anyway as it was virtually completed by the time I got the insurance results:
For a PCX125 I entered realistic figures for bike value, estimated annual mileage etc. Nobody would quote her regardless whether it was FC, TPFT, TP only, pillion passenger or not, tried putting voluntary excess to the max, nobody quoting her. Obviously she needs it to commute so no point trying to get a price for SDP only without commuting.
'Tweaked' the figures a bit, undervalued the bike, lowered the annual mileage, removed pillion cover, added two security devices, tried all three FC, TPFT and TP only, maximum voluntary excess, also put on there she had a full bike licence instead of a provisional (because if this made it affordable it would be worth her doing the test), manipulated the figures as best I could managed to get a quote for £11k. Swapped the bike to a 50cc Vision got it down to £2.5k...
It might be worth re-visiting insurance quotes after a year has passed. Until then, she's fucking walking!
I still think it's worth her re-doing her car test even if she can't get insurance for a couple of years. Might even encourage her to do her bike test. Who knows - in two years car insurance may still be unaffordable but by that point bike insurance may be just about affordable. |
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All been said, but the first post screamed of the word delusional, and we've seen this type of parent on here many times before.
My questions would be:
1, Does she really want to ride a motorbike for daily transport? After driving a car a bike is rarely better or more enjoyable/comfortable/easier.
2, So she's expecting you to fund buying this motorbike and the insurance etc to get it road legal for her, so all she has to do is ride it. Is she even going to pay for her own petrol, or just ring mum and dad and say Its run out can you come and help me?
3, So going onto her earning money straight away from having transport, is that guaranteed? Have you told her your expecting £xx a month in repayments?
4, Oh and lastly now your reluctantly saying how daft she is and it's all her own fault, then firstly how comfortable and confident are you that she'd even be safe on a bike and that she would be an attentive and careful rider enough to hopefully stay out of trouble and stay alive even? (If she was my daughter I'd be dead against her ever trying to ride a bike if she couldn't prove she was a good and careful driver with a good attitude).
Secondly how confident are you that she'd be bothered to do all the necessary paperwork to keep a bike legally on the road, or that she'd do all the (frequent and intensive maintenance compared to a car) to keep said bike safe and running. I mean is her attitude to security and locking it up when parked going to be shit hot? Otherwise you could almost half expect her to phone one day and say bike's been nicked can you pick me up.
I'm with Marjay and to an extent Tef on this. I'd also show her the thread as it might be a reality check for her. And after that if I still as a parent felt the need to help her again, I'd as other people have said get her a bus or train season ticket, and say there you go now sort your life out. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 281 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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