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PostPosted: 12:35 - 26 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yes, for the simple reason he gives a s#it and has policies developed over years not over a case of chateau nouvel merd and scratched on the back of a cigar packet.


I think that's why ppl don't like him. (Personally I don't like Communists but whatever floats your boat!) Most people think (rightly) that politicians are just self interested losers interested in lining their own pockets. But at least that's an easy motivation to understand.

Somebody with beliefs?! Give me MPs who's principles buckle at the first sign of trouble and the world keeps rolling on...
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 26 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Buffoon


I wouldn't call Johnson a buffoon. More rich well connected psychopathic wierdo freakshow.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 26 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ribenapigeon wrote:
Pjay wrote:


Buffoon


I wouldn't call Johnson a buffoon. More rich well connected psychopathic wierdo freakshow.


Roll up, roll up and watch Jeremy show his multicultural inclusiveness....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/22/revealed-jeremy-corbyn-showed-off-naked-diane-abbott-to-impress/
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 26 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Im amazed nobody is picking over how the government is going to pay for all the promises Boris WoosterJohnson is making. If Labour announce any such plans then immediately there are howls of "how will it be paid for".


Apparently, when Mother Theresa denied the existence of the "magic money tree" and despite rumours that it was actually in Jezza's greenhouse, it turns out that Bojo had taken it and had been keeping it in his window box!

Bojo has a wafer thin majority, that could get even more squeaky if the upcoming by-election doesn't go his way, not forgetting that the DUP are currently propping up the government.
Bojo can propose what he likes, he knows full well that whatever he proposes is unlikely to get through parliament. On the upside for him, he knows he has a ready made scapegoats to blame any failure on!

Same old, same old!
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 26 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Bojo has a wafer thin majority, that could get even more squeaky if the upcoming by-election doesn't go his way, not forgetting that the DUP are currently propping up the government.


Hence he's going for a GE. The import of Vote Leave (the organisation found to have broken the law before the referendum) characters into government, and the frantic social media advertising & data harvesting indicate that Johnson is planning a campaign.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 26 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I think that's why ppl don't like him.


Oh but they do like him.

You have to remember that the majority of the UK voters (the ones that voted leave) are all very much behind Boris.

Of course the vociferous Left remoaners are all screaming and shouting, they know his instalment in no10 is the nail in the coffin for their dreams of stopping Brexit happening.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 26 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You have to remember that the majority of the UK voters (the ones that voted leave) are all very much behind Boris.


What if the opposite is true?

Leave voters aren't the majority of UK voters anymore. And he's quite unpopular with everyone else.
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 26 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You have to remember that the majority of the UK voters (the ones that voted leave) are all very much behind Boris.

The next polls on voting intention will be most interesting. The last ones, a few days ago, showed the Conservatives in the lead. What now? There are many who can't stand boris but who will support him as a means to Brexit.
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 26 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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What if the opposite is true?

Leave voters aren't the majority of UK voters anymore. And he's quite unpopular with everyone else.

Yougov polls are worthless.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 26 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Pjay wrote:

You have to remember that the majority of the UK voters (the ones that voted leave) are all very much behind Boris.


What if the opposite is true?

Leave voters aren't the majority of UK voters anymore. And he's quite unpopular with everyone else.


It's a known fact that polls are pointless, people with something to moan about are always more interested in voting in them, than those in the comfy positions.

Here is some light reading on the subject:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/datablog/2016/jan/27/dont-trust-the-polls-the-systemic-issues-that-make-voter-surveys-unreliable
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Yougov pay people to fill out their surveys and they screen out respondents who don't give the answers they're looking for.

If they think they've had enough answers from people who vote leave then those people get kicked out of the survey before the finish and their answers are discarded.

It's really really meaningless. Laughing
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So it's get people to vote your way vote by auto suggestion.

Look, our poll shows everyone want to remain, if you vote leave you are an extremist/racist/gammon. Change your mind and rejoin civilisation as promoted by Yougov. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 26 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pjay wrote:
HardlyDavidson wrote:
I think that's why ppl don't like him.


Oh but they do like him.

You have to remember that the majority of the UK voters (the ones that voted leave) are all very much behind Boris.

Of course the vociferous Left remoaners are all screaming and shouting, they know his instalment in no10 is the nail in the coffin for their dreams of stopping Brexit happening.


Mine was a comment on Corbyn rather than Boris. Apologies if that wasn't clear.
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Personally I think Boreis is actually insane and in order to satisfy his Churchillian version of Napoleon syndrome he will need a war to rubber stamp his delusuons. So if any BCF'ers are in Tehran then they might wish to head off out of the city sharpish.
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Oh, and Labours last general election promises that were ridiculed by every financial institution in UK


Well that's bollocks. Labour's financial promises were ridiculed only by right wing rags whose main narrative has remained unchanged forever.

Meanwhile the people who know what they're talking about were roundly in agreement with the Labour manifesto.

https://www.ier.org.uk/news/129-economists-experts-back-labour-proposals

In comparison, who has ever backed Tory economic policy, other than their lobbyists and financial backers?

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PostPosted: 06:14 - 27 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:

Erm I didn't see any doom or gloom in those words.


No, you wouldn't would you?

Lord Percy wrote:
The only similarity between Boris and Trump is their hair style.

If the general public had voted Johnson into office, we'd truly be in full-bore USA territory. But we're not.

Johnson is a boring careerist chancer who wanted his go at the top slot, just for the sake of having his turn at doing it. No different from Theresa May and no better (or worse) prepared for doing the job than she was.

Nothing good or bad will happen, it's just going to be a hundred days of the same, in the build up to Brexit.

He'll provide more gaffs for the public to laugh about, but I don't expect much else. Politics needs brains and intellect, not hofty tofty tally ho "British spirit" which apparently only the upper aristocratic classes (and their wannabe tag-along puppet followers) are privy to. He'll achieve nothing, and a general election will be called, and UK politics will probably go into further disarray. The end.



Lord Percy wrote:
Unlike you, I don't throw blind, biased hatred around for no reason.


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


Truly, you have the worst reading comprehension skills of anyone I've ever encountered online. It's no wonder you manage to spin every story and opinion into your own brand of cynicism. You simply don't understand anything you look at.

Read the words carefully again.

Boris Johnson is a careerist chancer who people only admire for his hofty tofty aristocrat personality. And he won't do well, because he's the leader of a party with no majority and which is suffering a massive split over the very thing he's expected to deliver. It's obvious he's going to be no better or worse than May, because he's as powerless as she was.

That isn't bias or hatred, it's just obvious. I'd like it if he did a good job, but he won't, because he can't.

I wonder what magic powers you think Boris Johnson brings to UK politics? What can he do differently that will top Theresa May's efforts? Remember it's a democracy, not a dictatorship. All his hopes and desires have to go through the same shit that his predecessor's did.
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PostPosted: 06:35 - 27 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Lord Percy wrote:
Politics needs brains and intellect, not hofty tofty tally ho "British spirit" which apparently only the upper aristocratic classes (and their wannabe tag-along puppet followers) are privy to. He'll achieve nothing, and a general election will be called, and UK politics will probably go into further disarray. The end.


You really are odd, one moment you are explaining how people with degrees are so much more capable than anyone without and then you go and bash someone who is obviously multitudes of times more intellectual than you are.

How about watching something like this, it might show you he isn't quite the buffoon you think he is (just like many others you think are).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k448JqQyj8&t=1s

Disclaimer* You may find it hard going.


Er what. You're on about that thread where you and the other idiot tried to sound smart when talking on subjects you have no idea about, namely climate science.

"People with degrees" are not intrinsically smarter, nobody said that, you're either making it up or projecting some sort of inferiority complex. People with degrees are usually smarter in the subject that their degree subject covered. It's really not a hard thing to get.

And now you're telling me a man with a degree in classics talking with some authority on the subject of ancient Greece is some kind of miracle. Confused

Also my point about "intellect vs tally-ho" was not directed at Johnson in that way. It was directed toward the fact that his supporters seem to prefer hofty tofty tally-ho soundbites, instead of anything of worth or substance. Perhaps if the public face of politics were more consistently like he performed on that stage talking about ancient Greece, things would be better for everyone, specially for the voting public, who I believe are deliberately fed the gutter end of political discourse to keep them dumb and docile.
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