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PsyZen
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 28 Jul 2019    Post subject: Hypothetical Incident - what would you do? Reply with quote

You are riding in the wet on slicks at around 20mph, there is a que of traffic which you are legally riding alongside in a bus lane.

A person on an stand up motorised scooters cuts between the que of traffic out of your sight and suddenly appears approximately 3 metres in front of your path and stops.

What is the best course of action?
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 28 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't ride on slicks on the road in the wet to begin with, road tires have sipes for a reason.

If, hypothetically, you were daft enough to do so then you would, hypothetically, be going slow enough that you could brake safely if the unknown happened.


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PostPosted: 14:01 - 28 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avoid him.

If successful, bugger off quick and change your tyres ASAP since they will get you 6 points on your licence.

If unsuccessful, it depends on the actual outcome of the crash.


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PostPosted: 14:24 - 28 Jul 2019    Post subject: Re: Hypothetical Incident - what would you do? Reply with quote

PsyZen wrote:
You are riding in the wet on slicks at around 20mph, there is a que of traffic which you are legally riding alongside in a bus lane.

A person on an stand up motorised scooters cuts between the que of traffic out of your sight and suddenly appears approximately 3 metres in front of your path and stops.

What is the best course of action?

https://i.imgur.com/dUsdc6G.jpg

You're not legally riding anywhere if you've got slicks. Wink

If you're doing 20mph and someone suddenly appears approximately 3 metres in front of your path and stops, you've got just less than a third of a second until you hit them. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 28 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Que?
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 28 Jul 2019    Post subject: Re: Hypothetical Incident - what would you do? Reply with quote

PsyZen wrote:
You are riding in the wet on slicks at around 20mph, there is a que of traffic which you are legally riding alongside in a bus lane.

A person on an stand up motorised scooters cuts between the que of traffic out of your sight and suddenly appears approximately 3 metres in front of your path and stops.

What is the best course of action?


There is no best course of action. As per Stes post, you have just crashed into someone on a stand up motorised scooter. Laws of physics dictate he will come off worst.

You were both illegal, you were on slicks, he was on a non road-legal motor vehicle. Lube up. He will claim off your insurance for a host of injuries real and imagined and will probably be successful because that's how these things tend to go. He'll get a waggy finger for riding an illegal vehicle, it will probably be seized and (further) crushed. You'll get 6 points and a £200 fine for riding on slicks.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 28 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in reality land, you always ride as if someone is going to jump out in front of you any time. Particularly if you are passing a queue of traffic anywhere near a bus stop.

If you can't see around a bus or van, expect that pedestrian is going to run out looking the other way with headphones on, or a cyclist is going to dash out in the hope of beating their best time on strava.

This is why I like ABS. If I do have to do an absolute blind panic reflexive grab of both brakes, I have a better chance of not binning the bike.
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 28 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 07:45 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: The conclusions so forth. Reply with quote

Thanks for the feedback people.

I meant tyres that are legal but are pretty much slick.

So speed at 20mph too high for conditions, positioning too close to blind spots, breaking too aggressive although otherwise e scooter rider could have been seriously injured.

Bike in question does have ABS but it did not activate, front wheel locked and slipped out. Rider was left with fractured bones.
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they had enough time to process the situation, grab a handful of front brake, fall off and the bike didn't hit the e-scooter when it was sliding along the tarmac then it was way more than 3 meters away from them and or they were doing quite a bit less than 20mph.

Remember, the stopping distance for a bike sliding down the road is longer than the stopping distance for a bike that's upright.
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PostPosted: 08:30 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Re: The conclusions so forth. Reply with quote

PsyZen wrote:
I meant tyres that are legal but are pretty much slick.

So speed at 20mph too high for conditions, positioning too close to blind spots, breaking too aggressive although otherwise e scooter rider could have been seriously injured.

Tyres that are legal but pretty much slick? That does not compute. Do you mean normal tyres worn down to near the limit?

Consider: buses do 30 in bus lanes.
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PostPosted: 08:33 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Re: The conclusions so forth. Reply with quote

PsyZen wrote:
Thanks for the feedback people.

I meant tyres that are legal but are pretty much slick.

So speed at 20mph too high for conditions, positioning too close to blind spots, breaking too aggressive although otherwise e scooter rider could have been seriously injured.

Bike in question does have ABS but it did not activate, front wheel locked and slipped out. Rider was left with fractured bones.

So, not hypothetical then, also, legal, or slick, would appear to not be suitable for the weather conditions, and, as has been said, you should be riding in such a manner as to allow you time too deal with such circumstances. So, in this case, put it down to experience, and learn from it
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone else think that those stand up electric scooters are a menace? I get that they're pretty useful for getting around a busy city or your local area, but the people riding them seem to have no concept of personal responsibility.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
Does anyone else think that those stand up electric scooters are a menace? I get that they're pretty useful for getting around a busy city or your local area, but the people riding them seem to have no concept of personal responsibility.

They are a menace. So are motorised skate-boards.
However, I think they should be allowed, on the road but not on the footpatc, if licenced (free?) and with a number plate of some sort, as long as they do not have higher performance than legal elecrtic bicycles.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
Does anyone else think that those [insert name of any type of vehicle] are a menace? I get that they're pretty useful for getting around a busy city or your local area, but the people riding them seem to have no concept of personal responsibility.

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PostPosted: 19:05 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

kgm wrote:
Don't ride on slicks on the road in the wet to begin with, road tires have sipes for a reason.

If, hypothetically, you were daft enough to do so then you would, hypothetically, be going slow enough that you could brake safely if the unknown happened.


Winter Tyres have Sipes.

Normal tyres have grooves.


OP. Pick the fucker up onto it's back wheel, grab a massive handful and blast past the prick.

Remember 'Fuk the Polis'.

O.P. Ye woudnae be riding 'legal' on a public road wearing slicks.
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Remember, the stopping distance for a bike sliding down the road is longer than the stopping distance for a bike that's upright.


/\ Pish.

If it collides with an 'immovable' then the stopping distance would be shorter.

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PostPosted: 19:35 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:47 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:

Winter Tyres have Sipes.

Normal tyres have grooves.



Except for all the other normal road tires that also sipes...like the pilot road series.
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

kgm wrote:
MCN wrote:

Winter Tyres have Sipes.

Normal tyres have grooves.

Except for all the other normal road tires that also sipes...like the pilot road series.

Tyres, that is.

Wink

Hoist with your own petard... !
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

kgm wrote:
MCN wrote:

Winter Tyres have Sipes.

Normal tyres have grooves.



Except for all the other normal road tires that also sipes...like the pilot road series.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siping_(rubber)
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the rider in the not hypothetical situation have L plates?
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Re: Hypothetical Incident - what would you do? Reply with quote

PsyZen wrote:
You are riding in the wet on slicks at around 20mph, there is a que of traffic which you are legally riding alongside in a bus lane.

A person on an stand up motorised scooters cuts between the que of traffic out of your sight and suddenly appears approximately 3 metres in front of your path and stops.

What is the best course of action?


Plough into the c*nt and kill them... cruel but a few more incidents and the police/courts/MPs might pull their finger out Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

kgm wrote:
MCN wrote:
Winter Tyres have Sipes. Normal tyres have grooves.

Except for all the other normal road tires that also sipes...like the pilot road series.

I suspect it's a USA/UK terminology difference. A bit unfortunate. There are people who speak British English (Hurrah!), people who speak in the american dialect, also mixtures, and real mongrels. "Triple trees" (pffft!), "fork tubes", "tires", "license" etc are execrable terms, and there are many others. There are also foreign terms from further away, and people who can't not speak proper atall any way. It's all a big disaster, and it's hard to see where it will all end up.


Anyway, where was I?

Oh, yes, this tyre from ATS:

TIGAR
SUV SUMMER
- Continuous central rib
- Longitudinal and transversal grooves
- Multi-siped tread
- Accurate steering
- Water dispersal
- Grip on damp surfaces

I remember Michelin adverts with "multi-siped" and animations of water being cteared from the tread. All sorts of stuff. I guess it;s a usage thang, sorry thing. How confusing
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Does the rider in the not hypothetical situation have L plates?

Oh dear, another set of points....
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