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PostPosted: 20:59 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Legalisation of Cannabis Reply with quote

Apologies if done before, but thoughts on this?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/cannabis-will-be-legalised-in-uk-within-five-years-say-mps-after-cross-party-research-trip-to-canada/ar-AAF0Gzs?ocid=spartanntp
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gives enough time for their cronies to get dispensaries ready for opening day.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got to ask yourself, why now? Last time there was a relaxation in cannabis policy was in the early 2000s. Expect hard times.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what kind of THC content limits they'll set. The Czech gov. set the limits so low (in 2013), that people who actually use marihuana for medical purposes say they need something stronger for their mostly skin conditions, chronic pain management, multiple sclerosis and so on.

Also, the public health insurance does not cover the marihuana based pharmaceuticals. It's pretty much cheaper to grow your own or buy it on the streets, both options giving you more potent substance for far less money.

Marihuana in general is an publicaly tolerated drug in the Czech republic. The use and possetion is not perscuted by the law. Just don't grow it, distribute it, nor sell it. Oh, and having a huge bag of weed on you could make the police/prosecutor think that your intent was to sell it, so careful about that. If you must smoke it, one gram at the time, is the safe way.

TL; DR: The Gov. tried to do something nice for the chronicaly ill. Those people don't have the money to keep the suply going and the medical marihuana is not very potent, so people still grow their own or just buy it from whomever.

EDIT: I just googled a bit, and in early 2019 the gov. proposed amendment to the law concerning the medical marihuana, and, if passed by the legislators, the public health insurance might cover up to 90% of the cost for 30g per month per person.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
Got to ask yourself, why now? Last time there was a relaxation in cannabis policy was in the early 2000s. Expect hard times.


Brexit, perhaps. Thinking
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

All for it. Should be completely legal with perhaps similar controls as has alcohol. Psychedelics too. Funnily enough, just read a book about the history of cannabis, very interesting, and highlights the hypocrisy of governments worldwide on the subject.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 29 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why now? Because Brexit Party will win the next general election? Laughing

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If you must smoke it, one gram at the time, is the safe way.

Thumbs Up That is the correct amount to put in a spliff.

Setting limits for THC content would not work.

Growing your own will always work out far cheaper than buying it. Were talking 20p per gram for all consumables to grow top quality bud that would sell for 40 euros a gram in Amsterdam, as much as £40 per gram from some dealers in the UK and ~$20 per gram in Canada. Shocked
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Re: Legalisation of Cannabis Reply with quote

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But why?

We have enough fucking problems without adding stoners to the list of headlcases wandering about our streets.

Unless it is a cunning master plan to 'weed' out the gene pool of weaker strains.
Bold and ambitious plan, gets my vote. Thumbs Up

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-body/cannabis-the-facts/
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Re: Legalisation of Cannabis Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Diggs wrote:


But why?

We have enough fucking problems without adding stoners to the list of headlcases wandering about our streets.

Unless it is a cunning master plan to 'weed' out the gene pool of weaker strains.
Bold and ambitious plan, gets my vote. Thumbs Up

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-body/cannabis-the-facts/


One should bear in mind that alcohol also affects different people in different ways. It is not to do with the substance, but the user. If we can't have cannabis, we shouldn't be allowed alcohol.

If you have not tried cannabis yourself, you have had your opinions formed for you, and if you look at the people who have had most influence on those opinions, and the way they behaved, you probably wouldn't be so quick to condemn it. But congratulations on being the first poster in this thread to take the side of the ignorant Smile
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PostPosted: 07:18 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Re: Legalisation of Cannabis Reply with quote

[quote="chickenstrip"][Something Something Something about getting wasted.[/quote

Ha ha...

I've most probably burned more shit than many cunts on here.
I do not partake now as it is not all that it is cracked up to be.
It was ok for a laugh years ago but one tires of it.

It's does more harm than good.

And why not stop alcohol too while we're at it?

Not much benefit to society in general.

It is marketed by an organisation of fucking psychopaths.
And it's not controlled because of the massive revenue it's sales generate for the fat lazy incompetent cunts we elect as governance.

Want to discuss tobacco?
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PostPosted: 07:55 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mentions of alcohol being controlled is daft - it used to be controlled where it was dispensed by your local pub owner. It was done strictly and if they sold alcohol to people they shouldn't then they could lose their livelihood, everything.
These days alcohol is sold on every street corner shop and supermarket. They don't keep tabs on how many you've had or know how much you can handle. It's a huge joke now. Sure there are actual laws over alcohol but they're not monitored as closely as they were when only pubs and the social club were the only sellers.

Government only care about revenue and control. If humans enjoy something or gain from it then government will want a piece of it. I can imagine the laws being made for it but there being a total lack of control over its sale and dispensing.
Sadly though, government are still controlled by a bunch of religious inexperienced old farts who think that the streets will be full of high hippies if it's legalised. I doubt it will happen..

Finally, I thought it already was for medicinal purposes but UK doctors are too afraid to dispense it? I don't know - please enlighten me.
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Legalising it in Spain hasnt turned them into a bunch of morons, their private club type set up is brilliant, keeps it away from the kids,and the stuff is nice and strong and close to current UK street prices, not taxed the hell out of as in the states.
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been scientific studies done.

https://youtu.be/sHzdsFiBbFc

So there.
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sister Sledge wrote:
Mentions of alcohol being controlled is daft - it used to be controlled where it was dispensed by your local pub owner. It was done strictly and if they sold alcohol to people they shouldn't then they could lose their livelihood, everything.
These days alcohol is sold on every street corner shop and supermarket. They don't keep tabs on how many you've had or know how much you can handle. It's a huge joke now. Sure there are actual laws over alcohol but they're not monitored as closely as they were when only pubs and the social club were the only sellers.

Government only care about revenue and control. If humans enjoy something or gain from it then government will want a piece of it. I can imagine the laws being made for it but there being a total lack of control over its sale and dispensing.
Sadly though, government are still controlled by a bunch of religious inexperienced old farts who think that the streets will be full of high hippies if it's legalised. I doubt it will happen..

Finally, I thought it already was for medicinal purposes but UK doctors are too afraid to dispense it? I don't know - please enlighten me.


If one is a stoner then any control of the substance that is abused seems like the adults sucking all the fun out of things.

It is easily possible to exist without imbibing chemicals.

Or will we go all apologist and state that if it was harmful then God would not have created it?

There are millions of folk who don't get fucked up and they live normal lives.

I'm not a ban man but the way drugs are abused by humans is the concern.
Fuck... I can hardly get a few beers on a plane now because a fucking minority of Arseholes managed an almost ban on all commercial flights. And I canny get a train to work and back.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

bugeye_bob wrote:
Legalising it in Spain hasnt turned them into a bunch of morons, their private club type set up is brilliant, keeps it away from the kids,and the stuff is nice and strong and close to current UK street prices, not taxed the hell out of as in the states.


I'd go with that. Legalise puff but only in high street cafés - not even in the privacy of your own home! That way we get to rejuvenate the ailing town centres and drive people back from on-line shopping and out of town retail parks. Win-win!
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

My next door neighbour smokes the stuff and it stinks my house out if the wind is in the right direction. I hate the smell.

My rights, my ooman rights. Ban it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

My position in the end comes down to, if you can do something without harm to others and society, then it should be ok to do it. Cannabis does not make one violent or abusive. Alcohol creates far worse problems for society - ban it! And let's ban motorcycles while we're at it - nasty, noisy, dangerous things.

Some subjective points:

Cannabis is not physiologically addictive, although it can be psychologically so.

When I quit it, due to lack of availability as no social connections anymore, I did not undergo any withdrawal symptoms. I wish I could still get it now.

It was better at easing my aches and pains than any prescribed or over-the -counter painkillers, and it had much more manageable side effects.

I slept better with a spliff or two before bed.

I have definitely lost a chunk of creativity since quitting, especially where music is concerned.

I had no problems getting wasted till late when I wanted to, then going to work and functioning perfectly well the next day with a clear head - it doesn't give you a hangover!

And psychedelics - there should be a coming-of-age ceremony for all at, say, 18 years, where you have to take psychedelics in a controlled environment, before you are unleashed on the world. Only caveat being you should have a psychological assessment beforehand to make sure you aren't likely to be vulnerable to psychosis. Set and setting should be carefully considered to optimise the experience. Clinics should be set up for repeat sessions throughout life. Microdosing should be legal, perhaps controlled through the NHS, but it should be a matter of individual choice.

We need to get beyond the stigma of these substances. They could be beneficial to society if approached rationally, which authorities around the world have never yet done (read Michael Pollan's "How To Change Your Mind").

As to smoking tobacco - I wish I'd never discovered it! (it may be that psychedelics could cure my addiction to it without adding any further problems).
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Re: Legalisation of Cannabis Reply with quote

BTW...

MCN wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
[Something Something Something about getting wasted.


Ha ha...

I've most probably burned more shit than many cunts on here.
I do not partake now as it is not all that it is cracked up to be.
It was ok for a laugh years ago but one tires of it.


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PostPosted: 17:25 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

In that vein Heroin is apparently a better pain killer and easier to get off of than Morphine... good luck funding definitive research!

Similar experience here: I gave up tobacco about 6 years ago, big song and dance, "well done! you'll feel better for it!" applause, applause...

'Cept 6 months before I gave up puff, nobody said nowt about it. "Just thought you were short of cash!" I can't say that made me feel any better - nobody asked me if I was doing okay, financially Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sister Sledge wrote:
Finally, I thought it already was for medicinal purposes but UK doctors are too afraid to dispense it? I don't know - please enlighten me.

It can't be prescribed by just any doctor, cannabis can only be prescribed by specialist clinician to patients with an "exceptional clinical need” that all other treatments have failed to address. So you'd have to persuade that specialist clinician to write you a prescription for medical cannabis which is an unlicensed drug and understandably no one wants to sign such a prescription.

The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) have said that cannabis is not good value for money so NHS trusts don't have medical cannabis to give to anyone who has found a specialist clinician that's willing to risk their career by writing a prescription. You can't get it from a pharmacy as they don't have medicinal cannabis products and they don't have pharmacists who're prepared to be the one handing it out. You could go abroad to source your medicinal cannabis products but that's prohibitively expensive.

Towards the end of this year, NICE are due to publish guidelines on cannabis medicines so things should become slightly clearer then.

Despite all of the above, the UK is the world's largest producer of medicinal cannabis.

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PostPosted: 18:57 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Ste. Crazy isn't it?
I don't do the stuff anyway - despite my local dealer smiling as he cycles past every evening dropping his gifts off. I prefer the fungal route to relaxation.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
RhynoCZ wrote:
If you must smoke it, one gram at the time, is the safe way.

Thumbs Up That is the correct amount to put in a spliff.


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PostPosted: 20:14 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pointless really, Big corps that are pushing for it get richer / dodge tax

while the NHS picks up the tab for smoking related illnesses all the while people are losing their mind to the substance
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Re: Legalisation of Cannabis Reply with quote

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We have enough fucking problems without adding stoners to the list of headlcases wandering about our streets.


During my yoof, was often around stoners and drinkers. The difference is night / day.

If anyone has been in a room of stoners for an evening and had a couple of drunk mates arrive after pub closing, you'll know what I mean.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 30 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:
Pointless really, Big corps that are pushing for it get richer / dodge tax

while the NHS picks up the tab for related illnesses all the while people are losing their mind to the substance


Wait are you talking about alcohol or weed?
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