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PostPosted: 01:06 - 05 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:


Drugs only have one purpose and that is to detach you from reality, sanity and any sense of reason.


Rubbish. An over-generalisation. In fact, so much lack of definition as to be a totally meaningless statement.
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PostPosted: 05:42 - 05 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was definitely because of leftists, homosexuals and liberals that another right wing thicko decided to spray a crowd with bullets.

Everything ever in society is because of leftists and homosexuals. It's one thing that ISIS and right wing thickos, who both commit the same acts of terror, seem to be in agreement over.
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PostPosted: 06:10 - 05 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
It was definitely because of leftists, homosexuals and liberals that another right wing thicko decided to spray a crowd with bullets.

Everything ever in society is because of leftists and homosexuals. It's one thing that ISIS and right wing thickos, who both commit the same acts of terror, seem to be in agreement over.


And Islam.
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PostPosted: 07:29 - 05 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hang on, it turns out the other shooter was a self-proclaimed leftist...

Washington Times wrote:
“I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding,” he wrote in one tweet

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/4/connor-betts-ohio-gunman-was-elizabeth-warren-supp/


But but but Very Happy If the real leftists had had their way, their fellow leftist would never have had a gun in the first place!
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 05 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Hang on, it turns out the other shooter was a self-proclaimed leftist...

Washington Times wrote:
“I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding,” he wrote in one tweet

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/4/connor-betts-ohio-gunman-was-elizabeth-warren-supp/


But but but Very Happy If the real leftists had had their way, their fellow leftist would never have had a gun in the first place!


Well that was a quick kick in the teeth for lefty sarcasm!
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 05 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Hang on, it turns out the other shooter was a self-proclaimed leftist...

Washington Times wrote:
“I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding,” he wrote in one tweet

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/4/connor-betts-ohio-gunman-was-elizabeth-warren-supp/


But but but Very Happy If the real leftists had had their way, their fellow leftist would never have had a gun in the first place!



C'mon you....

He was trolling the leftists. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 05 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's fortunate that the states have the constitution to at least protect some their rights.

yen_powell wrote:
To save valuable media time, from now on the 'Mercans' should only tell us when one of their many wandering nutjobs hasn't gone all shooty on a large number of people.


They only bother if it's for gun control or it suits the anti american interests. If it's not then we don't really hear about it.
It wouldn't surprise me if the usual crazies are shouting about right wingers or trump right now.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 05 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:

And Islam.


and the peoples front of judea or was it the Judean front of the people.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 05 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
It was definitely because of leftists, homosexuals and liberals that another right wing thicko decided to spray a crowd with bullets.

Everything ever in society is because of leftists and homosexuals. It's one thing that ISIS and right wing thickos, who both commit the same acts of terror, seem to be in agreement over.


I'm right wing and I have nothing against homosexuals or genuine liberals.

chickenstrip wrote:
Im-a-Ridah wrote:


Drugs only have one purpose and that is to detach you from reality, sanity and any sense of reason.


Rubbish. An over-generalisation. In fact, so much lack of definition as to be a totally meaningless statement.


tl;dr I was right, drugs are only for warping your mind.
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 05 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
tl;dr I was right, drugs are only for warping your mind.


Only if you get your hands on some good stuff Wasted
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

In defence of gun ownership its worth pointing out plenty of countries have liberal fire arms laws. They dont have the problem with mass shootings though. Its definitely a problem to do with 'murican society. Personally I think if you have a culture which positively encourages a selfish couldn't give a s#it attitude then you're going to get some cracking levels of anti social behaviours.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
In defence of gun ownership its worth pointing out plenty of countries have liberal fire arms laws. They dont have the problem with mass shootings though. Its definitely a problem to do with 'murican society. Personally I think if you have a culture which positively encourages a selfish couldn't give a s#it attitude then you're going to get some cracking levels of anti social behaviours.


The US has many problems. For example the amount of people who believe an invisible man in the sky commonly referred to as "God" or "Allah" created the world, controls what happens on Earth and takes particular interested in who you have sex with. Or there is the "white people are all evil slave drivers", and other anti-white race baiting to win elections rhetoric from the left.
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I blame Elisabeth Warren. Should I make a blimp?
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
In defence of gun ownership its worth pointing out plenty of countries have liberal fire arms laws. They dont have the problem with mass shootings though. Its definitely a problem to do with 'murican society. Personally I think if you have a culture which positively encourages a selfish couldn't give a s#it attitude then you're going to get some cracking levels of anti social behaviours.


Correct - Canada has loads of guns but very little gun crime.
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Switzerland has I believe one in two people having guns, the highest ownership ratio in the world.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnnythefox wrote:
Switzerland has I believe one in two people having guns, the highest ownership ratio in the world.


There's an interesting page in "Wikipedia":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

Extract (general public ownership, guns/100 people:

USA: 120.5
Canada: 34.7
Switzerland: 27.6
UAE: 16.7
Australia: 14.5
Russia: 12.3
NIreland: 11
Scotland: 5.6
UK: 5.03
England & Wales: 4.6
Ethiopia: 0.4
Indonesia: 0
Taiwan: 0

The UK figure as calculated by "gunpolicy.org".
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

So by that table 1 in 20 people in the UK has a gun. If the average household contains 4 people, that means one household in 5 is tooled up. Assuming this is based upon the number of firearms licenses issued and doesn't include legal airguns or illegal weapons, that is a scary figure... Other than farmers, gamekeepers and members of shooting clubs, who are these people?
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
So by that table 1 in 20 people in the UK has a gun. If the average household contains 4 people, that means one household in 5 is tooled up. Assuming this is based upon the number of firearms licenses issued and doesn't include legal airguns or illegal weapons, that is a scary figure... Other than farmers, gamekeepers and members of shooting clubs, who are these people?

Why's it a "scary figure"?

Here's another chart for you; again, "Wikipediia", but it looks reasonable:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Here's the line for the UK:

Country Year Total Homicide Suicide Unintentional Undetermined Guns per 100 inhabitants Sources and notes
United Kingdom 2011 0.23 0.06 0.15 0.00 0.02 2.8[78] Guns in the United Kingdom[79]

Source: https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-kingdom

EDIT: You asked: "Other than farmers, gamekeepers and members of shooting clubs, who are these people?"

There's a basic problem in your "one household in 5 is tooled up" calculatoin (rather an unfortunate phrase since it has implications). The thing is that ownership is not uniform; a farmer, for instance, may posess at least one rifle, and at least one shot gun. He may have family or workers owning other guns. A collector will have several guns. A club member hay have one or several guns.

EDIT: Here's another good read: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/812296/statistics-firearm-shotgun-certificates-england-wales-2018-2019-hosb0919.pdf
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair comment.
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:


The US has many problems. For example the amount of people who believe an invisible man in the sky commonly referred to as "God" or "Allah" created the world, controls what happens on Earth and takes particular interested in who you have sex with. Or there is the "white people are all evil slave drivers", and other anti-white race baiting to win elections rhetoric from the left.


It also has a huge numbet of serial killers the majority of whom are white middle aged middle class men.

I think we need a "WTF is the problem with 'Murica" thread.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Short answer: full of 'muricans

Long answer: full of 'muricans and illegal alien rapist drug dealers
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Left wing thinking

Problem: People die in mass shootings
Solution: Ban guns

Problem: People die of drug overdoses
Solution: Legalise drugs

It also just so happens that left wing people like drugs and dont like guns Laughing


Err. No. You're comparing apples and pears.

People aren't being killed in mass shootings by illegally obtained guns of indeterminate quality meaning they don't know how much they're shooting someone.

Also people aren't stealing, doing without food and becoming exploited by criminal gangs and the sex industry in order to get their next illegal gun.
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 09 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I know is that somewhere along the line, someone will make a film about it.

Bruce Willis or Denzel Washington playing a shopper who heroically unarmed saves a load of school kids whilst the shooter goes on a rampage. Some up and coming actor plays the villain, Keanu Reeves plays mall manager, Sean Bean somewhere in the film gets gunned down protecting 3 or 4 people, Luis Guzman has a bit part. Hell yeah, I can't wait.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 09 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Ribenapigeon wrote:
In defence of gun ownership its worth pointing out plenty of countries have liberal fire arms laws. They dont have the problem with mass shootings though. Its definitely a problem to do with 'murican society. Personally I think if you have a culture which positively encourages a selfish couldn't give a s#it attitude then you're going to get some cracking levels of anti social behaviours.


Correct - Canada has loads of guns but very little gun crime.



And the gun crime which does occur (Gang shootings etc) is the majority of the time carried out with illegal smuggled pistols from the US.

Canada has a licensing requirement to own firearms unlike the US which has to be renewed every five years after passing a 8 hour training course and includes a background criminal and metal health check along with being signed off by your other-half (for domestic abuse reasons).

Above is for a normal non-restricted license which allow ownership of shotguns and most rifles. To gain the redistricted license that l hold, which allows ownership of pistols and short barreled rifles or rifles such as the AR15 requires an additional 8 hour course and you get put into a police database which flags you if any arrest or metal health issues are reported. You also can only take restricted firearms to a government approved range with police authorization to transport so no shooting them at the farm which sucks.

There is also a prohibited category which is for full auto rifles and pistols with a barrel under 4.1 inches but they stopped issuing theses back in the early 90,s and those who have one have to keep them locked up no shooting them at all.

5 round limit for semi auto center fire rifles 10 round limit for pistols and no limit for rim fire rifles. (you can use pistol mags in a rifle hence my AR10 has 10 round 308 mags marked for pistol use). No limit on how much ammo you can buy/store.

The rifles listed in all three category were clearly made my a civil servant who had no clue about firearms but watched too many movies for example the G11 is prohibited but never made it beyond HK prototypes though it did appear in Demolition Man Laughing AK47 is prohibited but the VZ58 is non-restricted, AR15 is restricted but the AR10 and AR180 is non-restricted.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 09 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

A river of contrasts, murders in 2018:

Detroit (USA) - 261 - "lowest on record for 50 years"

Windsor (Canada) - 10 - "bloodiest on record in the last 15 years"

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