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PostPosted: 21:49 - 06 Aug 2019    Post subject: An infrared light switch? Reply with quote

This for a bedbound person. Ideally with:

A wall switch that can be touched to switch a mains light on/off.
A very simple on/off only dedicated remote control to do the same thing.

I have looked about, but no luck yet, so any suggestions will be most welcome.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 06 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have Varilight remote dimmers in my house. You "teach" them to use any spare button on any Infra red remote or
they sell a dedicated one if you prefer. Specifically bought because my wife used to read herself to sleep (before she
got a kindle which lit up) and I'd have to get out of bed to kill the lights.

B&Q sell them.

https://www.diy.com/departments/varilight-v-pro-1-way-single-white-plastic-remote-control-dimmer-switch/1418619_BQ.prd
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 06 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philips Hue lighting and an Amazon Echo?

Gives voice control, remote switch and pir detection if required too.
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 06 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps you're getting blinded by technology?

People used to just fit a pullcord lightswitch above the bed for this application. I have one, it's great, you just reach up and pull it.
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 06 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

there's a shit ton of gadgets like that on Ebay

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wireless-Touch-Dimmer-Switch-Light-Switch-Remote-Controller-White-1-Gang-LD1647/153436746440?epid=4027795930&hash=item23b98af2c8:g:0y8AAOSwWk5cs~zw
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Perhaps you're getting blinded by technology?

People used to just fit a pullcord lightswitch above the bed for this application. I have one, it's great, you just reach up and pull it.

"Nursing home". Request was refused. Disgraceful. Light switch right by bed could be modified, normal switch. Normal switch not always reachable by immobile person, depending on their position.


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PostPosted: 00:19 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:

It's possible, but it's wireless and the interface/remote are too complex on that particular thing.

I've already got a Broadlink RM Mini IR controller for use from my 'phone, so IR would be convenient; but I could buy a Broadlink RM Pro which would subsume that functionality and give WiFi.
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
I have Varilight remote dimmers in my house.

How does the dimmer work by touch? Touch to come on/brighten/dim? Press on/off?

The remote is unfortunately far too complex, but I know simpler "On/Off" ones are available.
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
Gives voice control

Voice control, sadly, is too complicated for the user.
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PostPosted: 02:13 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
grr666 wrote:
I have Varilight remote dimmers in my house.

How does the dimmer work by touch? Touch to come on/brighten/dim? Press on/off?

The remote is unfortunately far too complex, but I know simpler "On/Off" ones are available.

Quick tap of finger = on or off as applicable
Hold finger on contact plate or remote button to cycle through brightnesses. Once set that's the level
they come on at until you hold to reset the level again.
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can the operator clap their hands, there is a switch that is controlled by voice and the clapping of your hands.
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
panrider_uk wrote:
Gives voice control

Voice control, sadly, is too complicated for the user.


"Alexa turn the room light on/off"

Probably can't use on the nursing home's wifi though anyway?
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

bugeye_bob wrote:
Can the operator clap their hands

No chance of that.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
Riejufixing wrote:

Voice control, sadly, is too complicated for the user.

"Alexa turn the room light on/off"

Probably can't use on the nursing home's wifi though anyway?


Well, a bit of an explanation.

There is a personal BT line & router (no telephone; user can't use one). Nursing home WiFi is also available.

User is immobile except for limited use of one hand/arm, and severely limited use of the other. Dexterity is a major issue. Memory is a very major issue, hence voice commands won't be possible at all.

A simple on/off, labelled, remote control for a light is a possibility. A "touch" on/off switch (labelled), additionally IR or RF controlled would be good. By labelled, I mean sticking a large written label onto it! If the user happens to be in a position where the wall light switch can be used, OK; else, the remote.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wireless remote controlled sockets:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-X-Remote-Control-Sockets-Wireless-Switch-Home-Mains-UK-Plug-Status/273904451753

or get a light socket version:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/E27-Screw-Base-Wireless-Remote-Control-Light-Lamp-Bulb-Holder-Cap-Socket-Switch/183819540036
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:

Hmm, very interesting. Two-button remote looks good. Only remote-operated, but still. Would need a converter to B22 or a replacement E25 bulb holder.

Later.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
Easy-X wrote:

Hmm, very interesting. Two-button remote looks good. Only remote-operated, but still. Would need a converter to B22 or a replacement E25 bulb holder.

Later.


However, thinking about it, unfortunately I don't think so. The main room light is by the door (inaccessible to user), and this item would require it to be "always on". The staff won't remember, either, or if the switch is bypassed then they won't be able to switch the light off unless they know about the remote, and they are not all the sharpest tools by any stretch[1].

I'm sort of wondering about gr666's suggestion, but that may be too complicated as well.

It's a real minefield.

[1] I'll try to upload a pic showing what the situation is.
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's what one of the staff thought was OK, and that the computer powered from this extension would work when connected like this. No, really. I explained why it would not work, and the expression was one of utter incomprehension.

So any soulution to "how to let the user switch the light on or off" also has to allow for this sort of thing.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:59 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't a bedside light work?
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:

User is immobile except for limited use of one hand/arm, and severely limited use of the other. Dexterity is a major issue. Memory is a very major issue, hence voice commands won't be possible at all.


How about a bedside light, but with a switch within reach such as attached to the bed rail?

Or a simple break beam to turn on/off cycle. Infrared beam sensor kit.

Main issue will it being tripped when not needed by staff dealing with them.

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PostPosted: 21:33 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Wouldn't a bedside light work?

Immobile person, no can reach, but thanks. Ghastly situation to be in, I hope to God I never get like that, but there are many, many similar all over the country.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Wouldn't a bedside light work?

Immobile person, no can reach, but thanks. Ghastly situation to be in, I hope to God I never get like that, but there are many, many similar all over the country.


My father-in-law died with Motor Neurone Disease, in his last months he had no use of his arms or legs, but could twitch his finger on his right hand. We taped up a wireless doorbell so that he could get our attention during the night.

A bedside light could have its lead extended with a switch on the cord and a lanyard around their wrist.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could make something?

The electronics that they use in touch lights are available for much cheapness on ebay. You normally use them to turn the light on and off by touching it but it'll work via anything metal. You could make a metal rail/pad that would control a light switch quite simply by the same system.

I've converted several old brass oil lamps into bedside lamps using them.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-Way-Touch-Light-Sensor-Switch-For-Lamp-With-Terminal-Block-Wiring-Diagram/292474667965?hash=item4418d943bd:g:2zQAAOSw9N1aotIX

Now that unit could be incorporated into a bedside light. I could also see it being used in place of a light switch with a little imagination. The main thing is that the trigger/switch needs to be conductive and not earthed. It could even be an old towel rail mounted on the wall or something similar.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-Way-Touch-Light-Sensor-Switch-For-Lamp-With-Terminal-Block-Wiring-Diagram/292474667965?hash=item4418d943bd:g:2zQAAOSw9N1aotIX

This is all good stuff, it gives me thoughts to work on and which branch off. The situation is really difficult, and what people in good health think is really easy is not always a solution at all, unfortunately.

The above could be useful for all sorts of things. I note "Please be aware these will only work with effervescent bulbs not LED bulbs"!!!!

The above suggestion led back to re-examining earlier suggestions (a thing at B&Q).

Without the dimmer, a touch light switch might be good; some come with backlights, which is excellent. Should not (!) confuse nursing home staff. The user need only poke the plate with a finger or knuckle rather than operate a switch. Standard wiring, so hopefully no nursing home fitting issues. Remote control, so could also be used by staff or user or even by me from mobile device.

So, a touch wall switch with a very simple reasonable-sized on/off remote is next up for examination.

This "trying to help the user" is all pretty vague stuff, like riding a sidecar outfit in the snow; just heading in the right direction is good enough.... dimming would be excellent, but is probably going to be too complicated. The possibility of just switching the light on and off is a step forward.
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