Coding bootcamps - good idea?

[Hawkeye1250FA]

Good question, if not a little naïve. 😁👍

I for example work mainly with rdbms.

So any and all systems in normal business use rely on data, this data is stored in a database.

This database needs setting up / maintaining. That's a big part.

Following the above - people need to know what's been going on. So reporting becomes important.

Then you have all sorts of options available that lead to different training paths. (SSRS / PowerBI / tableau / qlikview )

Each of those on their own is a lot of training and learning how to apply them in the real world.
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[Ayrton]

I've been a software engineer for 3 years and have just spent the last 8 months training some new guys who have been through a coding camp on a kind of university course. They got sent off for a 4 week (or something) course and came back with very little knowledge that was useable.

Software development requires a lot of time and practice. even after 3 years doing my degree I knew jack shit compared to people in the industry.

If he really cares about learning programming then he should grab a book and start right now.There are plenty of free resources to do it and if anyone goes into this proffession then they should have a passion for it and have the drive to learn it themselves. Then if he actually likes it then get him to go to university and get a degree in Comptuer science or software eng. That will set him up nicely to walk into a job afterwards.

As for 40k, maybe after 5 years or so with a degree, but your not just going to walk into a job like that after a bootcamp. My first job was 20k and before that I got offered only 18k for another programming job.

If he's at all interested in moving to south wales for a job then PM me and I'll send you a link to the degree scheme my company runs. Pretty much pay you to be at the company for 3 years while you study for a degree and you dont need experience. doesnt get much better than that.

[Lord Percy]

[Easy-X]

I make "glue"

Actually it's the services that make two disparate systems communicate with each other. Mostly interfacing EPOS systems to other stuff.

So far I've written a few giftcard/loyalty integrations. A few that talk to hotel management systems but the biggest so far is a tight EPOS to Ingenico payment terminal integration. And news this week is my Amadeus interface is getting global release, which is nice. A little part of me will live on in hotels across the world

The EPOS side is all old enterprise Java but I can write everything else in whatever I like which is usually C# and all the related .NET technologies (ASP.NET, .NET Core, etc.) I also end up dabbling in SQL stuff, Javascript, Angular and practically every network related protocol you can thing of from basic TCP & UDP, Websockets, REST, Signal R, etc.

My pet project is web interface for EPOS. Basically turning any phone or tablet into an order pad. This has been done a gazillion times before... but mostly badly. I'm doing that with server-side Blazor which means there isn't the usual Javascript code someone else can hoover up and rip off.
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[Ayrton]

[Lord Percy]

[Andy_Pagin]

Referring back to the original post, IMO programming is something you need to have a passion for, it's not something you should embark on as a career because you can't think of anything better to do. And forget picking up anything beyond the bare basics in a 'boot camp' whatever that is. Coding is a life long learning experience, it's long hours, bloody frustrating at times and seriously draining mentally at the best of times. Personally after thirty five years I still love it, but that's the only reason I stick at it, certainly not for the money.

As for salary, well working in the City of London, and I do mean the square mile, not just inside the M25, he might just about land thirty grand a year, which is shit money for an uber expensive place like London.

Here's a good place to get a rough idea of salaries, though the high ends of he estimates are I suspect restricted to the merchant banking sort of businesses.
https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/salary
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[Easy-X]

[Lord Percy]

[Easy-X]

I always consider an interest in Chess (or any similar logical game) a good marker for "potential programmer" - you have a limited number of moves and you have to look ahead for potential problems.

It's less "coding" and more "imagine the future!" *

*WARNING! No geeks ever got laid using that line.
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[A100man]

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[Lord Percy]

[duhawkz]

I think a solid understanding of maths is required if you want to study computer science or cryptography.

But I haven't come across a situation where i had to do more than basic arithmetic in my day to day job.

I imagine if you worked in the financial sector or maybe the betting industry that might be different though.
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[chris-red]

You do not need maths in the sense of arithmetic, but you will need mathematical ideas. Stuff I learned in College in the 'Methods' module has come in handy. Matrices, search types binary etc., travelling salesman stuff. Just general logic.
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[Easy-X]

Hmm... quick job search. Almost 3000 C# jobs and about 3 dozen for embedded stuff. Okay
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