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Posted: 12:18 - 14 Aug 2019 Post subject: Re: Bad CBT Experience |
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Teflon-Mike wrote: | DexterKane wrote: | but am I right in thinking I should have been given a bit more time? . |
And therein, I think, lies the nub of the matrter... 'given'....
ER.. no, if you wanted something 'more' then 'standard' why shouylod you be 'given' it? Its like buying a Skoda then complaining it don't have Wilton carpet like a Rolls Royce, and because you dont have any slippers, just a pair of sandals, you should be 'given' a Wilton carpet?!?!?!? Eh?
Lets back up a bit here. You booked on a bog standadard CBT course.... it is NOT guaranteed that every one will 'complete to satisfactory standard' in a day... there is number one problem, NOT with the school or the course but YOUR expectations... You pay money for a course you exepected to get the DL196 for it, in the day, like walking into Mc Donalds and ordering a big-muck!!!
No.. you paid for a course of training... you got that.. if you didn't learn in the time you paid for why do you think you should be 'given' anything extra for free?
If you is slow learner and need extra training.. why should you NOT expect to pay for it?
And you have now proved to yourself you are not a fast learner, and you do need extra, and more, extra 1:1 time, not time in group holding back the group....
Your Car driving history is a red-herring. So is your height. So is all the otyher chaff you are trying to chuck in the mix as excuse why
YOU are special snowflake and should be 'Given' special tailo made treatment when you have pad primark off the peg prices....
DEEP breath.... take a bit of a hit on the chin.,..... start over... and NO you should NOT be 'given' effall.. you should expect to PAY for what you want.....
Start by getting expectations in line with reality, stop presuming on irrelevent umpety years car driving and once havibng ridden a ped....
BTW a ped is a MO-PED, legally a powered two wheeler under 50cc and not capable of more than 28mph.. it does not have to be a scooter, it does not have to be a twist and go.... it can be geared or automatic, and any style you want, be that a step through, a scooter, or a motorcycle, and that a dirt bike, road-bike, sports-bike or chopper... sobe clear what you arte talking about here, T&G scooter or 50cc slo-ped?
You obviously struggled... but fact you have come on here aafter, indignant that YOU know better than teacher so teacher must be wrong,.... SORT of suggests that that is the big issue and you have NOT learned, cos your tea cup runneth over grashoppa..... you have been convinced how much you know before you started and NOT been responsive to being taught anything.... so when you haven't it must be teachers fault, 'cos it cant possibly be yours, you know it all already, dont you?
Get youir head in the right place. Dont expect a free lunch or anyone to 'give' you anything you haven't paid for. Stop teying to kid yourself you know better than teacher and fighting them, try listening and actually learnbing and NOT making bludy excuses... and try again.... and if you STILL need more 1:1 then be prepared to pay for it, and bppk some 1:1 lessons for that extra you reckon you need and hope to be given'.
Itrs up to you,,, its boit a free lunch and no one has to 'give' you effall... all do=wn to your expecations and aproach...... and if any0ine needs change anything... think long and hard who that should be.... |
Jesus christ could you have twisted my words any further? I just came to ask if it was normal to have less than two hours on the bike before calling it. I got my answer in the first response. I wasn't asking for special treatment I just wanted to know if what I experienced was right or not. It felt rushed, so I wanted to know if I was justified to feel that way.
I came here to ask questions and learn so I'd be better prepared for next time. It wasn't a great experience so I wanted to better understand what went wrong.
Quoting one word out of context and using it to embark on a 12 paragraph irrelevant rant couldn't be less helpful. |
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Posted: 12:22 - 14 Aug 2019 Post subject: Re: Bad CBT Experience |
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WHOOSH!! FFS.[/quote]
Innit? Guy seems to just be having a different conversation to the rest of us |
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annemarie Borekit Bruiser
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Posted: 13:01 - 14 Aug 2019 Post subject: |
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I'm just going to add to the fire.
I've started with 0 ZERO! experience of driving, riding, bikes, not even pushbikes much.
Went to this CBT with Company1: got 3 other people who were all riding already, just renewing (some woman renewing for the 5th time)
We started the bikes, the other 3 are doing perfectly fine circles around the lot and I am still thinking "so this clutch, I will pull it but what do I do with it after, keep it, leave it...?" In the end got to go around the lot twice, when they started to add observations and gear, so I was obviously lost.
I've done maybe 3 more laps struggling with the clutch when the instructor said to me "forget it, we don't have time to keep doing this cause everyone else is waiting, we need to go for lunch already".
So obviously I've not 'passed' that one, but I can relate. They don't really give a shit if you need extra explanation or a different approach, they throw you in with experienced people and expect to pull it out of your ass.
I agree they shouldn't let you out on the road like this, but that's not the point here. The point is that they spend a ridiculous amount of time on bullshit, like instructor explaining how to find used textile trousers on ebay, then the actual time to learn is nothing, if you don't get it within 2 reps you are already behind.
To compare the above Company1, I went with Company2 next time.
I had to wait extra time for the CBT, because they actually group new people together as much as possible. I was getting it this time a lot better, but me and my persistance, I wanted to keep repeating and repeating things until it felt like I'm doing it myself and not just out of sheer luck. They let me practice extra, the other people just waited for me on the side while I was going round or up and down again and again. Had extra questions for the instructor - no problem - got the answers. And yes we were all late for lunch because of me but nobody was upset.
So it all depends on the CBT course, I'm sure you would have got the extra time or attention with like Company2. That still doesn't guarantee to be allowed on the road, and I agree if someone is not ready they shouldn't 'push' to get them out anyway, but I do understand the bad CBT part. ____________________ HD Street 750, Honda CBF125 |
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Posted: 14:08 - 14 Aug 2019 Post subject: |
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annemarie wrote: | I'm just going to add to the fire.
I've started with 0 ZERO! experience of driving, riding, bikes, not even pushbikes much.
Went to this CBT with Company1: got 3 other people who were all riding already, just renewing (some woman renewing for the 5th time)
We started the bikes, the other 3 are doing perfectly fine circles around the lot and I am still thinking "so this clutch, I will pull it but what do I do with it after, keep it, leave it...?" In the end got to go around the lot twice, when they started to add observations and gear, so I was obviously lost.
I've done maybe 3 more laps struggling with the clutch when the instructor said to me "forget it, we don't have time to keep doing this cause everyone else is waiting, we need to go for lunch already".
So obviously I've not 'passed' that one, but I can relate. They don't really give a shit if you need extra explanation or a different approach, they throw you in with experienced people and expect to pull it out of your ass.
I agree they shouldn't let you out on the road like this, but that's not the point here. The point is that they spend a ridiculous amount of time on bullshit, like instructor explaining how to find used textile trousers on ebay, then the actual time to learn is nothing, if you don't get it within 2 reps you are already behind.
To compare the above Company1, I went with Company2 next time.
I had to wait extra time for the CBT, because they actually group new people together as much as possible. I was getting it this time a lot better, but me and my persistance, I wanted to keep repeating and repeating things until it felt like I'm doing it myself and not just out of sheer luck. They let me practice extra, the other people just waited for me on the side while I was going round or up and down again and again. Had extra questions for the instructor - no problem - got the answers. And yes we were all late for lunch because of me but nobody was upset.
So it all depends on the CBT course, I'm sure you would have got the extra time or attention with like Company2. That still doesn't guarantee to be allowed on the road, and I agree if someone is not ready they shouldn't 'push' to get them out anyway, but I do understand the bad CBT part. |
Thanks! sounds quite similar to my experience. If anything they sounded even less patient with you the first time round. |
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annemarie Borekit Bruiser
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Posted: 16:44 - 14 Aug 2019 Post subject: Re: Bad CBT Experience |
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Posted: 20:10 - 15 Aug 2019 Post subject: |
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When I did my CBT for the first time at 17 I was also told to go home at lunch time because I was not progressing as well as a older guy who rode off road bikes all the time and a ped rider. Part of that was due to poor instructing and part due to me being quite slow at picking stuff like this up I went back another time (or maybe twice, I cant remember) until I decided I didnt like the school and found another one that would do more personalised training.
If you look at it from their point of view though, they have no choice but to send you home as they probably dont have enough instructors to watch you ride around a yard for a few hours while someone takes the others out on the road. I would also say it's more beneficial for you to go home and think about what you learnt as you will probably find your much better the second time.
I've never really understood why people suggest to do a CBT on a moped just to get the certificate. I'd much rather pay for an extra days training and have someone qualified teach me how to ride a bike than to go out on the road and try and learn it yourself afterwards. |
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I completely get what you are saying.
Find a different course. One, as Annemarie mentioned, that places people in the right groups or perhaps even smaller groups.
Feeling rushed and picked on is never conducive to learning.
Then practice, enjoy and ride safe.
Come back and tell us how you got on. |
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That's only a light Teffing. |
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Posted: 20:49 - 29 Aug 2019 Post subject: |
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Got sent home at lunch again yesterday. This time with a CBT certificate.
After watching a few youtube vids in the run up, I found it fell in to place straight away this time. Was in the first group out on the road with a guy who was on his 13th CBT
Loved it as much as I hoped. Off to pick up a my first bike tomorrow. Dead excited!
Thanks for you all your advice, I found it really helpful. |
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annemarie Borekit Bruiser
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 238 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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