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2007 I think, but as I said, they needed the QM2, she went to France.
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Unfortunately, with the EU, we have to let every country tender. Our own government can't keep the contract and money in the UK.
Another reason why the EU is leaching from the UK.
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Unfortunately, with the EU, we have to let every country tender. Our own government can't keep the contract and money in the UK.
Another reason why the EU is leaching from the UK. |
You retard, it has got nothing to do with the EU, it's all to do with South Korea & China. If anything, it was BAe that caused the final 'ship building' nail in the coffin, when work on the new carriers was given to the shipyards on the Clyde and Barrow.
It's last major work was on renewable technologies, a booming industry by all accounts, so, if it couldn't make that work, I guess just not fit for purpose.
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| Sister Sledge wrote: | When Swan Hunters closed on The Tyne they had a fair amount of useful equipment there.
I actually watched over the space of a few weeks how several cranes were dismantled and loaded onto a floating dock. That dock went to India so that they could build ships..
Foreign ship builders invested in huge sites that work like production lines. Few UK ship yards could follow that way because their locations dictated how big an area they could have or how large a dry dock they could make.
Surely the start of Britain losing its industries was when thatcher (no capital letter from me) was in power? She actively sought to destroy unions and split industries up. Huge businesses were sold off - BT, water etc.
I doubt we'll ever get our industries back - even under a Corbyn government. |
I doubt things would have been overly different whichever government was in power, ultimately it's just straight forward globalization in action, some industries in the UK gained, some lost, predominently heavy industries. The larger longer term issue, is the lack of majority or wholly owned british organisations, so when these organisations need to retrench, they move to the lowest cost based economy with the highest return on investment, or, their 'home' country, where they are more likely to receive state support. Alas capitalism in action. I have no qualms about industries being nationalised, but to be honest, will that make them any better? Take rail for instance, it's still largely dictated as to how it's run by the dft, and, when the east coast mainline was taken back from the franchisee the last couple of times, it has been well received and by all accounts well run, still hasn't stopped another operator of the franchise taking over. Then you have British Airways, which has, gone from strength to strength,since being privatised, and, it effectively also owns Iberia (Spain's flag carrier), Vueling, Aer Lingus (Ireland's flag carrier) and others. However, as much as I don't particularly like Boris, I'm afraid I'd take his conservative party over a Corbyn labour party any day, no matter what Corbyn might promise.
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While we can all get misty eyed over the loss of another British Industry may I remind people to read up on history...
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Merchant ships are pretty low tech and low margin sadly. You're basically just making a big steel box. If we subsidise construction of ships we are basically paying to build ships to bring cargo from China to Britain more cheaply 
We should however start state aid on producing A LOT of trains, railway tracks, bridges, tunnel rings etc and massively improve our road and rail infrastructure. Its still heavy industry but its to our national benefit, not to China's.
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Our own government can't keep the contract and money in the UK.
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Sorry muppet, but, just where were the 2 new RN aircraft carriers built, that was never going to be abroad, you're an imbecile of the highest order |
MPD was talking about commercial work, don't put words into his mouth, "retard". He also happens to know what he is talking about, unlike you it seems.
As for CVF/Carrier its military and therefore exempt. |
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MPD was talking about commercial work, don't put words into his mouth, "retard". He also happens to know what he is talking about, unlike you it seems.
As for CVF/Carrier its military and therefore exempt. |
Yes, indeed, doesn't mean their manufacture has to stay in the UK, it's a government decision, nothing to do with the EU, as is the decision to have built, the 4 37,000 tonne Tide class fast fleet tankers for the Royal Navy in South Korea, and, not the UK
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| linuxyeti wrote: | | Im-a-Ridah wrote: |
MPD was talking about commercial work, don't put words into his mouth, "retard". He also happens to know what he is talking about, unlike you it seems.
As for CVF/Carrier its military and therefore exempt. |
Yes, indeed, doesn't mean their manufacture has to stay in the UK, it's a government decision, nothing to do with the EU, as is the decision to have built, the 4 37,000 tonne Tide class fast fleet tankers for the Royal Navy in South Korea, and, not the UK |
Actually, they are not for the Royal Navy, they are for the Royal Fleet Auxiliary and classed as merchant ships so they are not under the same purchasing controls as military vessels.
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Actually, they are not for the Royal Navy, they are for the Royal Fleet Auxiliary and classed as merchant ships so they are not under the same purchasing controls as military vessels. |
Yes, but, it's a government decision to put them into that classification, however, for the same type of vessels, Spain classes them as as warships, and as such can be validly tendered to a single company, likewise, there's nothing stopping the UK governemnt from classifying the ships as warships either. The same goes for the recent tender for 2-3 Fleet Solid Support Vessels, they are to be armed, and active in war zones, and yet the government refuses to classify them as warships, which they can legitimately do, as such, the tenders are open to foreign companies, infact of the 5 companies that have tendered, only 1 UK consortium (BAe & Babcock) have tendered, the other tenders are from Italy, Spain, Japan & South Korea, so, it really boils down to the Government, who are using eu legislation as a scapegoat. Wonder who they will use as a scapegoat after brexit??
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The unions may have contributed, but the underlying reason why we lost our heavy industry was because we couldn't compete. We couldn't compete because of the price of land and labour. The price of land and labour in this country is higher than in the developing world because we had our industrial revolution first then enjoyed years of relative prosperity in the 50s and 60s, during which the demand for land and labour rocketed, thus pushing up prices.
We are victims of our own success in economic terms.
I await the argument that if we hadn't imported loads of fuzzy-wuzzies during the 50s and 60s, everything would still be ok......
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