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Appeasement?
"Just have some money and go away." |
So you think they're giving Turkey billions, moving industry from the EU to Turkey using EU loans and subsidies and paying for their border security to trap the Kurds in Syria, to appease them because they won't let them join the EU?
That's priceless! I bet you've bought some magic beans in your time.
You really wont see any wrong with the EU will you? Can yo not see what's happening here with the EU army (which you Europhiles denied a couple of years ago), the move to central taxation, the extending of it's borders to the East and South East and a growing charge to even closer federalisation?
I can't believe how people are ignoring the inevitable transformation into Germany's third attempt to rule Europe. The Remainers really do think everything will remain the same if we stay in the EU, they really think the status quo is stable. It's like Turkeys voting for Christmas.
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| Posted: 15:33 - 21 Aug 2019 Post subject: |
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Thread's gone way off topic 
Mentalboy tried to get it back, but even he couldn't push back the tide of the fite. |
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I didn’t think you’d have the balls to admit you’re wrong. I was right.
Why do YOU think the EU is throwing money at a country is pretends will not join? |
Right about what precisely? You have stated an opinion, not a fact.
I don't pretend to know if Turkey will eventually join the EU or not, and unless you've borrowed that tardis again, neither do you soft-lad....
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| Posted: 16:15 - 21 Aug 2019 Post subject: |
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| mpd72 wrote: | | Diggs wrote: | Dodges the awkward question again, knowing the correct answer goes against his argument. |
Why do YOU think the EU is throwing money at a country is pretends will not join? |
Calm down... There is no correct answer that you or I know. Shouting won't help!
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To humour you however, I think the reason why the EU is helping Turkey is because it sees the advantage in having Turkey as a friend. It acts as a buffer between Europe and the Middle East, and it is better to have nonsense on the Turkey/Syria border than on the Turkey/EU border.
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| mpd72 wrote: | What do you think WW1 and WW2 were about and how is this any different? |
Think about that for a second....
Why did WWI start? Because Austria Hungary declared war on Serbia, Russia had an alliance with Serbia and Germany had an alliance with Austria Hungary, so Germany declared war on Russia also. We and the French had an alliance with Russia etc etc etc. How is that similar to today?
WWII started because Germany wanted to regain national prestige after loosing WWI and Hitler saw a war as the way to achieve this. Germany had treaties with Russia, Italy and Japan and we had treaties with Poland, France etc etc etc. Again, where is the similarity to today?
It is all too easy for you to describe what the EU is doing now as similar to 1914 and 1939, but it isn't the same at all. The EU can be rightly criticised for many reasons, but I won't be building my Anderson Shelter just yet....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o7dkC8XWJ4
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| Diggs wrote: |
Think about that for a second....
Why did WWI start? Because Austria Hungary declared war on Serbia, Russia had an alliance with Serbia and Germany had an alliance with Austria Hungary, so Germany declared war on Russia also. |
Ah, so Germany were just looking for closer co-operation of Europe and it had nothing to do with them invading to control all of Europe as it's own empire.
It was just like the EU then, nothing to worry about there. For a minute, I thought it was down to Germany's ambitions to rule Europe. Silly me.
So they're just misunderstood these Nazi's, apparently they're just like the lovely EU?
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You are tying yourself up in knots here, and could really do with reading some history books before you pontificate about the causes of WWI because your lack of knowledge is showing.
May I suggest you start with the Congress of Vienna, Austro-Prussian war, Unification and the Franco-Prussian war, the Schlieffen Plan (as modified) and its limited scope, plus the German declaration of war on Russia. Once you have a grasp of those elements you will have a better understanding of Germany's territorial intentions in WWI.
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| Easy-X wrote: | Interesting discussion on Shipbuilding! Okay, so I admit to a slight diversion into other heavy industries... |
Unfortunately, like a lot of the demise of UK industry, the EU is at the forefront of stripping us of manufacturing. If they're not bribing Ford to setup production in Turkey with Eu money, at the cost of plants in the UK, they're stopping us awarding contracts to UK firms, due to EU competition laws, where they can subsidise the country they want to win the contract.
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| mpd72 wrote: | | Diggs wrote: | So misunderstood those Nazi's. It wasn't their fault. They were just trying to be friendly with Europe, not rule it as their empire. |
Your liberal history is odd. I thought you hated Nazis, rather than apologising for them? |
Having to make up other people's 'quotes' to advance your argument doesn't become you, madam.
Given that we were talking about WWI specifically in our last exchange, please remind me at what point in history the Nazi Party began to influence German foreign policy?
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| bhinso wrote: | | Diggs wrote: | Why did WWI start? Because Austria Hungary declared war on Serbia, Russia had an alliance with Serbia and Germany had an alliance with Austria Hungary, so Germany declared war on Russia also. We and the French had an alliance with Russia etc etc etc. How is that similar to today? |
It wasn't an alliance with Russia which triggered our entry into WW1. In fact, ideally we would have remained neutral (see 'July Crisis'). In the end it was our treaty with Belgium which did it. The Germans were forced to enter Belgium in order to encircle Paris and knock the French out quickly. They gambled that we 'wouldn't go to war over a mere scrap of paper', and lost. Scheisse. |
It was all down to timing. Russia invaded East Prussia on 1st August. Whilst we had a treaty with Russia, this didn't trigger our entry into the war because at first it looked like Russia was winning. Germany invade Belgium on 4th August which did...
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| Diggs wrote: | Germany invade Belgium on 4th August which did... |
Surely you mean “closer collaboration” with Belgium?
I mean it’s not like they were trying to force their laws, rules, regulation, border control, freedom of movement, courts and central taxation on them is it?
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Regarding the EU's interest in Turkey, I do think it has designs on reforming Turkey and bringing it into the empire, but then it has imperial ambitions globally which I find worrying. Check out the EU's Union for the Mediterranean and EU in The World websites. It's the kind of stuff which either duplicates what individual nations do (and their time is surely numbered), or what the UN aims to do. Taking one example at random, why is there an EU Election Observation Mission in Peru? That seems to me to be beyond the remit.
The EU has spotted that the UN struggles because it recognises national sovereignty and uses economic sanctions after the event to try to punish nations which won't conform. The UN (and NATO) is also too US-dominated for the EU (wannabe world) leaders. Instead, the EU binds members into economic rules which admittedly are beneficial, but which become a blackmail tool. Don't like our political policy? Tough, we own you now and we'll make you poorer if you won't conform. Being bold enough to leave the EU comes with a deliberate cost way beyond reason.
Edit: corrected the second link.
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