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PostPosted: 11:09 - 22 Sep 2019    Post subject: Triumph Sprint ST 1050 or other useful sport-tourers? Reply with quote

Triumph Sprint ST 1050.

So I recently swapped out my ZR7-S for a Honda CBF 1000 ABS but have grown a huge dislike for how Honda have designed it in the short space of time I've had it. I like working on my bikes, but I don't think having to take the rear wheel out to remove the rear brake caliper is the best use of my time (alongside other niggles like having to strip half the bike to change the plugs). Plus I'm injured and I can't be dealing with a bike that requires as much fettling as this one.

I'd buy another ZR7/S but the prices are too high, and I want something new to me rather than something I grew bored of despite how well it worked.

Auction Sprint ST 1050 has come up. Would be a project but for the right price it looks one of the better listings they've posted: I've been keeping an eye on what they sell for a while.

Always wanted to try a triple, but how easy/expensive are these to work on? Ideally I just want it to be easy to service; fairly cheap to run and can cope with winter commuting and the occasional jaunt for say 100-150 mile round trip in a day.

Any hidden niggles / things to be aware of before bidding or even alternatives to explore? As long as the mirrors can be folded up then the specs; weight; size etc all look to be good for how and where I store my bikes.

> Brake pedal bent
> Some rust on exhaust?
> Frame slider appears to have broken off (R/H front side fairing)

They're about the only faults that look wrong with the bike, and it is classified as CAT N so frame is all good. 57,000 miles (ok for a Sprint?).

ZRX1200S has peaked my interest but other than that am open to suggestions, but would like the focus to be on the above auction for now.

Still need to get the CBF1000 rear brake attached by the local shop, and find a buyer, but with insurance due to in two months its about the right time to start looking around either way/even if this doesn't happen.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 22 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine has been reliable as fuck apart from the stator which blew a month after I got it but fowlers replaced it under warrenty (it was 6 years old when I got it but they give a 3 month warrenty on their second hand ones).

They recommend that you don't fold the mirrors back too often because they can get a bit loose from repeated use.

Aside from that the clutch doesn't disengage properly sometimes but it just means it's difficult to get into neutral sometimes, it gets worse with old oil. I haven't got round to pulling it apart to find out whats wrong.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 22 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
They recommend that you don't fold the mirrors back too often because they can get a bit loose from repeated use.


Annoying just because would need to fold to get in and out of storage at least once a day, and the indicator being in them doesn't help. Laughing

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Aside from that the clutch doesn't disengage properly sometimes but it just means it's difficult to get into neutral sometimes, it gets worse with old oil. I haven't got round to pulling it apart to find out whats wrong.


Quick look on the triumphrat forum suggest soaking the clutch plates in oil, or glazing them over with some grit (400?); alongside changing the oil, changing gears at higher in the rev range or if you have adjustable clutch levers place them further away from the bars.

You may already know that, mind, just figured it may help / wanted to google search to see if common issue. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 22 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've owned the 675 and 1215 Triumph triples, but not the 1050 but ridden a good few and it's a lovely engine.

It's the oldest design of the modern Triples but still being made and used in the Tiger sport so that's a plus point.

The only issues I am really aware of are electrical and Nobby has touched on that. I haven't heard of them being a problem in later ones but then I've never really looked as it was only the Speed Triple I would have bought with that engine and they stopped making it.

My comments would be 'How cheap is it' because you can bet a pound to a pinch of poo there will be more issues than just the ones you can see.

A comment on the ZRX. Real old school twin shock bike that handles like an old school twin shock bike. Nice engine but.......
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 22 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:


A comment on the ZRX. Real old school twin shock bike that handles like an old school twin shock bike. Nice engine but.......


Better than this (and I do like the idea of a ZRX, cos I am old school Smile ), and since it at least needs a mention in every "what bike?" thread Laughing

FZS1000. One of the beauties of these is that you can pick them up cheap; if looked after they last forever (qualifier: seemingly Smile ), and they beat a CBF1000 into a cocked hat for enjoyment. Yes, you have to keep on top of the EXUP servicing (once a year is usually enough), and the original rear shock is terrible - but most will have had that replaced by now, and you don't need to go mega expensive to find something that is much better anyway. Otherwise, very reliable, comfortable, reasonable mpg if you can restrain yourself a little, with a good fuel range (200 miles per tank is perfectly achievable). Plenty of power and reasonable handling, so fun can be had. Fairing is quite effective in keeping off the wind blast, although people dick about with screen choice (a decently aerodynamic helmet works better ime). Still a good do-everything bike.

Biggest down side these days is emissions, if this is a consideration for where you need to go.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 22 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Aside from that the clutch doesn't disengage properly sometimes but it just means it's difficult to get into neutral sometimes, it gets worse with old oil. I haven't got round to pulling it apart to find out whats wrong.


Quick look on the triumphrat forum suggest soaking the clutch plates in oil, or glazing them over with some grit (400?); alongside changing the oil, changing gears at higher in the rev range or if you have adjustable clutch levers place them further away from the bars.

You may already know that, mind, just figured it may help / wanted to google search to see if common issue. Thumbs Up


Yes but that means removing the clutch cover, which in itself isn't an issue but a single bolt for it is behind the starter motor copnnections and covers and I really don't want to strip that apart without knowing what I need to undo first. And no, I don't have a service manual (yet)
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 22 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the problems brought up often in the FB is failure of the sprag clutches caused by them getting over-stressed from sluggish starting. the recommended fix is installing thicker gauge wires from the battery to the relay, from the relay to the starter and from the engine earth point to the negative terminal on the battery.

Stators and rectifiers are another common issue, some people recommend fitting a MOSFET or series-type rectifier to reduce load on the stator and prolong it's life.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 22 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
FZS1000.


The more modern ones just as good?

One here I'd be tempted to make an offer on, and was actually looking at it when I figured I'd catch up with responses on here.
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 22 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
FZS1000.


The more modern ones just as good?

One here I'd be tempted to make an offer on, and was actually looking at it when I figured I'd catch up with responses on here.


Undoubtedly a good bike, but a bit different in a couple of significant ways.
Firstly, smaller tank, less range.
More sporty, less comfortable for longer trips - you can of course refurbish the seat or whatever to improve it. At least, I would think you could.
I think a bit more of a frantic feel.
It doesn't seem to gain the same kind of following as the older bike, which I think just makes a better everyday option.
But yes, certainly worth considering.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 22 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
But yes, certainly worth considering.


Only ask because is cheaper, and new-er, than the closest FZS1000.

Says the exup has been disconnected/is open. Non-abs so simpler to work on, and looks ready to be used for winter.

See what Mr. Bikey Shop says tomorrow as to if I can go for one of any of them. Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 22 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:


Says the exup has been disconnected/is open.


Do not touch. No bottom end torque without it.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 22 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
NJD wrote:


Says the exup has been disconnected/is open.


Do not touch. No bottom end torque without it.


Doesn't make any difference on the FZ1. I think it's there more as an emissions thing. A lot of folks ditch it on this bike. And doesn't make the older bike unrideable either, although not ideal, and the difference is noticeable.
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 23 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the jury's decided: after finally putting the back end together -- with thanks from the CBF forum -- I've decided to stick with the CBF1000 for now just because of how much I've thrown at it since buying it, but would probably lean towards the FZ1S when I next change (providing nothing else takes my fancy); I don't think I'm quite ready to give up the full "tourer/sport tourer" type bikes just yet, but would defiantly love an FZ1S as a second bike (if it wasn't for the one that moans a lot).

Decided to throw a bunch of money at various performance improving parts instead: C&S/Braided lines/fixings/pads etc because some of it is still O.E.M, and things like the brake lines have me wondering how old they are (if not as old as the bike).

The bikes still ugly, mind, but has the speed improvement the ZR7S lacked and practicality to see me through winter.

I'll own a tripple one day. Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 23 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
...it was only the Speed Triple I would have bought with that engine and they stopped making it.


The Speed Triple is still very much in production:
https://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/motorcycles/roadsters/speed-triple
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 24 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a 53 plate Sprint so that will be the 955i. Really nice well built bike.

Problems I had was charging issues and once the battery goes flat on these suckers the bike comes to a halt. Changed stater and rec and still had the same issue. Turned out to be a break somewhere in the loom so ended up shunting the reg/reg direct to the battery. No charging issues since then.

Plastic tank. Not sure about the newer ones but mine started to expand to the point where the bolts holding it to the frame were getting really tight every time I took the tank off.

2nd gear. The triple engine felt absolutely amazing when you opened it up in 2nd but there just wasn't enough of it and I would constantly hit the rev limiter. Shifting to 3rd and it all died off until you got back into high revs.

Single sided swing arm was the dogs nuts on this bike. Sooooo easy to work on and adjustments for the chain are a doddle.

I'm still young enough (49) to appreciated something that's more likely to get me hurt so, although I wouldn't have another sprint now, in ten years time I'd definitely consider one.
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