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seeyalater
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 15 Sep 2019    Post subject: Falling off in training How common is it Reply with quote

Hey great to be here. Im back on bikes after around. 20 years in cars. Did cbt today and came off on a busy roundabout due to diesel leak from a bus or something. No harm as such to me or bike so carried on and passed.

But,, how many have come off in training, any part. Its left me a little gutted cos i know i should have seen the spill, but was busy watching for cars as the roundabout is mental. Il learn from it of course.

Just curious. Thanks
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 15 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its pretty common.
I remember when i did mine, the instructor told me about someone that when they got to a junction they forgot to put their feet down Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 15 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dropped a GS500 school bike back in '98 when my U-turn ended with the front wheel rubbing the kerb. Embarrassing, but the instructor whipped out a spare front brake lever from his top box and it was good to go.
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 15 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was daft enough to do my training during the winter. On one of my training days it was a bit frosty and I found that going round a roundabout with cold tyres and a damp, frosty road surface requires more care than I realised.
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 15 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

martin734 wrote:
I was daft enough to do my training during the winter. On one of my training days it was a bit frosty and I found that going round a roundabout with cold tyres and a damp, frosty road surface requires more care than I realised.


Ah so very similiar indeed. Im curious how an experienced rider would tackle it.
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 15 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pay more attention to the road surface and rather than follow your instinct and shut the throttle when the bike starts to feel like it is going to lowside, apply a little more throttle which causes the bike to sit up. Oh, and not panic and grab a big handful of brake. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 15 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's very common, it's why we fit crash bars to school bikes. Don't worry about it, learn from it. If you're ok that's all that matters.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 15 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did aany cars crash on the 'diesel'?

if not, it wasn't diesel but failure to control the bike.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 15 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Did aany cars crash on the 'diesel'?

if not, it wasn't diesel but failure to control the bike.


This. In 5 years of daily all weather riding I've yet to have an issue cause by diesel. A couple of twitches certainly but never anything dramatic.

That said, it's a CBT so you can't be expected to have amazing reactions or not to panic a little if the bikes gives a twitch.
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 15 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't Alpha9 post a vid of him riding down a wet dual carriageway and crashing on diesel..or was it overbanding? I recall it was very sudden.

Then there was Rogerborg..but that may have been over zealous on the front brake. Also caught it on camera. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 15 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps it's down to tyre choice. There's a lot of folk out there happy to ride about on cheap or old tyres. I had a set of 3 year old Metzeller ME22s on my CG which would slither about in the wet on roundabouts, etc. That wasn't much fun as it was usually the front that felt iffy. They had been fine a few months before.

Not saying it can't be slippery, because it can be but running Roadtecs and PRs I've never had an issue, perhaps I've just been good at avoiding it.
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PostPosted: 07:20 - 16 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

All down to experience. The fact that all went well for you in the end shows that you dealt with it well. Doing the right things afterwards. Obviously it's more dramatic than stalling an engine!

When I sat my car test there were 3 driving schools vehicles with 'testes' pulling away. The car in front had a child run out from a nearby alleyway and straight in front of their car. They hit the child and no harm done. No-one could have predicted it or reacted faster but it was still deemed a fail by the examiner and the test was not continued from that point!

HGV test. One of the pupils in our HGV school was a pleb. He was self funding his lessons and tests. This was his 6th attempt. He drove well (we'd share the cab so to speak and swap every hour) but now and then something random would distract him massively. Could be a plastic bag stuck in a tree, a shop advert. It was like his brain was hiccoughing. Anyway, on his 6th HGV test he did incredibly well until his last 5 minutes. If anyone knows Newcastle well enough there's a busy roundabout just north of the city on the old A1 called Blue House Roundabout. He drove a 12 ton lorry straight over/through it. It's raised and has street furniture on it. He failed obviously. It's this:

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.9952409,-1.6164012,3a,75y,30.66h,87.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7gHv3cPjjkYt_g2HMcKBIg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 16 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only time I can remember having issues with diesel it was so obvious it was like gay pride had painted the road. The rainbow was so impressive I even thought about getting off and looking for the pot of gold (not really Wink ).

I went round that very gingerly I must admit.

Actually, thinking about it I've had more twitchy feelings in the wet after a long period of dryness but never bad enough to think I was going to drop the bike.
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PostPosted: 08:06 - 16 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea how I passed my CBT. In the training yard I managed to go into the building. On the ride out on two right hand bends I ended up riding along the pavements. Just something about right hand bends I’m rubbish at. It was in fact going round a roundabout that I wrote my R6 off on. Give me a left hand bend and I’ll fly round it all day long
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 16 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Did aany cars crash on the 'diesel'?

if not, it wasn't diesel but failure to control the bike.

The deisel was in the bit we would ride but cars would kind of go over it, i didnt see i was on it until i felt the slip as i was trying to be aware of the cars, i go on that alot in the car and its ruthless then, but i do agree i could have avoided it, and ive no idea if i braked as i was trying to stay up so i doubt it. but i ended up on my back, banged head and bike was side ways to traffic so could have touch back brake in panic just cant remember,
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 16 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

It happens. When I did my Mod 1 training day there was a bloke who spent more time on the tarmac than he did in the saddle.

He passed.


Eventually*.


* When I went back for my Mod 2 they told me he'd passed on his third attempt. He fell off on the figure 8 for the first one and the U turn on the second one.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 16 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leearchertog wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Did aany cars crash on the 'diesel'?

if not, it wasn't diesel but failure to control the bike.

The deisel was in the bit we would ride but cars would kind of go over it, i didnt see i was on it until i felt the slip as i was trying to be aware of the cars, i go on that alot in the car and its ruthless then, but i do agree i could have avoided it, and ive no idea if i braked as i was trying to stay up so i doubt it. but i ended up on my back, banged head and bike was side ways to traffic so could have touch back brake in panic just cant remember,


I have never, ever, in 30 odd years of riding or driving come across diesel anywhere on the road.

I've binned it on ice and on wet roads immediately after a long dry spell, but never on diesel.
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 16 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:


I have never, ever, in 30 odd years of riding or driving come across diesel anywhere on the road.

I've binned it on ice and on wet roads immediately after a long dry spell, but never on diesel.


I do regularly. You can smell it as well as see the rainbow on the road. It has never caused me issues though.
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 16 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never, ever, in 30 odd years of riding or driving come across diesel anywhere on the road.

I've binned it on ice and on wet roads immediately after a long dry spell, but never on diesel.[/quote]

If its going to be found im the clumsy fecker who will, the instructor was the one who said it was and a few who stopped to assist. If it wasnt then it was very slippy water.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 16 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Did aany cars crash on the 'diesel'?

if not, it wasn't diesel but failure to control the bike.

And how many car accidents would you attribute to a deisel spillage?
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 16 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sir Clip wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Did aany cars crash on the 'diesel'?

if not, it wasn't diesel but failure to control the bike.

And how many car accidents would you attribute to a deisel spillage?


The numberof diesel related incidentsbetween 2013 and 2014 increasedsignificantlyby 94, from263 incidents to 357 incidents as presented in Table 2.2.As shown below, there were 357 incidents overthe course of the year whichequates to29 incidents per month. On average this is equivalent to one diesel incident per day somewhere on the SRN.

Sourced from
https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/assets.highwaysengland.co.uk/specialist-information/knowledge-compendium/2016-17/Highways+England+Incident+Prevention+-+Diesel+Spillages.pdf
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 16 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your link seems to be related to spillages, not accidents as a result of spillages .
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PostPosted: 05:48 - 17 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howling Terror wrote:
Didn't Alpha9 post a vid of him riding down a wet dual carriageway and crashing on diesel..or was it overbanding? I recall it was very sudden.


it was overbanding - a wet tar seam coupled with a bit of steering and a lot of throttle

there's a gif of it somewhere, it was posted the other month
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 17 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guy who did his CBT alongside me (1991) splatted himself and his step thru’ Into the wall of the school who’s playground we were using. Made me laugh for ages!
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 22 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
Howling Terror wrote:
Didn't Alpha9 post a vid of him riding down a wet dual carriageway and crashing on diesel..or was it overbanding? I recall it was very sudden.


it was overbanding - a wet tar seam coupled with a bit of steering and a lot of throttle

there's a gif of it somewhere, it was posted the other month


That particular gif has made me wary of winding on the throttle too enthusiastically when commencing an overtake. Thumbs Up Useful to learn from others (unfortunate!) mistakes
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