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Ribenapigeon
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 18 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yes, gratifying as it is to see insane manifestos consigned to the shredder of history even I feel it's swung too far the other way.

Boris not only has a resounding majority he also kicked out the worst trouble makers from his own party before the election. The problem is that anything he wants is going to get whipped through. Poll Tax anyone? Shocked

The only hope for the Labour Party is to admit that old 20th Century socialism is dead and has been for almost 40 years. The world has moved on, it's time they did too.


Do you think the Tories have "moved on", believe me, the Tory party is a 19th Century cult and would have us back to a pre WW1 society in a flash.

Did anyone else notice how they kept Rees Mogg in a cupboard under the stairs during the election?
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 18 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Keir Starmer is waiting like a vulture to swoop in and pick apart Corbyn's corpse while its still fresh.
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 18 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ribenapigeon wrote:
Do you think the Tories have "moved on", believe me, the Tory party is a 19th Century cult and would have us back to a pre WW1 society in a flash.

Did anyone else notice how they kept Rees Mogg in a cupboard under the stairs during the election?


Never said they had. I thought this thread was about Labour?

Keeping Mogg "in a cupboard" seems like a smart move. Damn those Tories and their sensible election campaign Smile
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 18 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
David Lammy MP is classed as a bookies outsider but watch this space...
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 18 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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David Lammy MP is classed as a bookies outsider but watch this space...


I don't believe even Labour would be that stupid. He is a London based anti white racist. He's hardly going to get the northern worker back in the fold.
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I just have this feeling that he'd curry favour with all BAME's plus those who feel guilty for being white.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 18 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not having a government full of loony lefties may be a good thing...

...but not having any credible opposition is not a good thing Shocked

I hope Labour sort themselves out, I truly do.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 18 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Not having a government full of loony lefties may be a good thing...

...but not having any credible opposition is not a good thing Shocked

I hope Labour sort themselves out, I truly do.


This. Our system only works properly when there is a credible opposition to rein in the worst excesses of the government, whoever that may be, and all parties are capable of swinging too far to whichever side of the spectrum they are on, as we have been seeing only too clearly of late.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 18 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
Easy-X wrote:
Not having a government full of loony lefties may be a good thing...

...but not having any credible opposition is not a good thing Shocked

I hope Labour sort themselves out, I truly do.


This. Our system only works properly when there is a credible opposition to rein in the worst excesses of the government, whoever that may be, and all parties are capable of swinging too far to whichever side of the spectrum they are on, as we have been seeing only too clearly of late.


You would think a middle of the road party could make great gains wouldn't you, especially with the extremists on both sides. Libdems must be really really terrible not to have made inroads in this election.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 18 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You would think a middle of the road party could make great gains wouldn't you, especially with the extremists on both sides. Libdems must be really really terrible not to have made inroads in this election.


The "we're the sensible kids" tactic has been the Libs tactic for years. It always fails them, whoever likes the snotty swat who wants to be school prefect?

We have an adversarial but democratic system, we like to see a good scrap in the playground. The problem is populism, where every issue is reduced to the cheapest possible angle. We get good TV, a dramatic prize fight but no sensible result. I do wonder where a descent into such a situation could lead us.
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On the mark comment i just had shared to me.
https://youtu.be/G0nIhL4v6bY
Jonathan Pie.
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odd that you like it, considering he's Ripping the piss out of left wing remainers and their inability to accept losing an ejection.

Pie was hardly complementary about the winners either.
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PostPosted: 02:16 - 19 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You would think a middle of the road party could make great gains wouldn't you, especially with the extremists on both sides. Libdems must be really really terrible not to have made inroads in this election.


The Lesbian Undemocrats haven't been a centre party for quite some time Sad
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 19 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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bhinso wrote:
David Lammy MP is classed as a bookies outsider but watch this space...


I don't believe even Labour would be that stupid. He is a London based anti white racist. He's hardly going to get the northern worker back in the fold.


In its current form and state of denial, I think Labour would actually drag this man in to be leader. I do actually think they'd be so stupid.
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 19 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:

You would think a middle of the road party could make great gains wouldn't you, especially with the extremists on both sides. Libdems must be really really terrible not to have made inroads in this election.


I think people (well, English people) are so wedded to Red vs Blue politics now that the only way centrism will win is if it's a centrist Tory or centrist Labour.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 19 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:

You would think a middle of the road party could make great gains wouldn't you, especially with the extremists on both sides. Libdems must be really really terrible not to have made inroads in this election.


Libdems are now too small a party, they don't have a 'critical mass' of MP's, plus, I think Swinson came across as very arrogant, and, it was a mistake to have a policy of out and out revoking of article 50. I think politics, certainly currently, the main parties in the UK are the worst that I can remember them ever being.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 19 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:
bhinso wrote:
David Lammy MP is classed as a bookies outsider but watch this space...


I don't believe even Labour would be that stupid. He is a London based anti white racist. He's hardly going to get the northern worker back in the fold.


He won't be chosen. I'm hoping it's Jess Phillips because she will drive the wedge between Labour and their northern heartlands even deeper, or alternatively Emily Thornberry for the same reason. Whichever is the more toxic to voters, I back that person.

Strongly opposed to Keir, he is just Blair + Dave Cameron, that used car salesman will just say what people want to hear and cut Boris majority.
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Libdems are now too small a party, they don't have a 'critical mass' of MP's, plus, I think Swinson came across as very arrogant, and, it was a mistake to have a policy of out and out revoking of article 50. I think politics, certainly currently, the main parties in the UK are the worst that I can remember them ever being.


People always think contemporary politics is "the worst they can remember". My spin on that is more, my relationship with Politicians is not quite the worst it's been. The worst for me was 2015 when I became quite depressed looking at the Labour Party and felt it didn't even want my vote despite my situation being supposedly slap bang in the middle of Labours historical demographic.

I didn't think Swinson came across as any more or less objectionable than Johnson or Corbyn. She was certainly less arrogant than Fuhrer Sturgeon. What would have been interesting would have been if the Lib-Dems had taken their "sensible kids" doctrine and hung a pro-brexit flag on it. Imagine.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 19 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ribenapigeon wrote:
despite my situation being supposedly slap bang in the middle of Labours historical demographic.

Miner, shipbuilder, steel worker?
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Miner, shipbuilder, steel worker?


Job rather than career and significantly less than average wage.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 19 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm not committed to one party for life, I'll happily vote Labour or Limp Dem if I agree with their policies.
This time I didn't.

It's time to move on. Even Blair has admitted that Remain has lost.
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