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PostPosted: 22:38 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I vote with my pocket not my heart, comprehensive schoolboy, comfortably retired since I was 52, and if you have kids, work in Poundland or Delivereo (for example) what were you thinking? That i woulod pay?
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's like a socialists' shopping list to Santa. All the very worst ideas are being trotted out 'cos hey, they can't lose at the next election can they? Thinking

You'd think that the Clinton vs Trump debacle would have taught the Left you can't pile on the poison and expect the electorate to swallow it.


If course the rights policy of deregulation of banking has had nothing but a positive effect.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Easy-X wrote:
It's like a socialists' shopping list to Santa. All the very worst ideas are being trotted out 'cos hey, they can't lose at the next election can they? Thinking

You'd think that the Clinton vs Trump debacle would have taught the Left you can't pile on the poison and expect the electorate to swallow it.


If course the rights policy of deregulation of banking has had nothing but a positive effect.


Most of the effects happened under Blair and Brown though so you can't really pile the blame on the right.
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody is going to persuade me to vote based on years past. No one in their right mind would vote for Labour as they currently are.
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Nobody is going to persuade me to vote based on years past. No one in their right mind would vote for Labour as they currently are.


Aside from some foolish diehards. I actually know of a bloke who's quite clever. He's brainwashed by Labour. When I challenge him over this mess they're making he says "No that's just to get the vote and to get to power. Just you wait. They're going to make Britain a wonderful place to live and with good wages and a better life. Just you wait and see".
Hmm. I guess he's not in his right mind!
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hmm. I guess he's not in his right mind!


Either that or blind.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:


Most of the effects happened under Blair and Brown though so you can't really pile the blame on the right.


The deregulatung of the banks is a core policy if the right. It had been since the seventies in the US and was followed by Thatcher in the eighties and continued through the nineties and under Blair and Brown with their disastrous rightist love of the private sector.

You on the right can winge all you like but youve had forty years of right wing policy, social, fiscal and financial. If rightist policy is so great surely theres nothing to moan about, surely? Two generations have gone by since Thatcher was elected, you have your rightist nirvana, your living in it.
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If rightist policy is so great surely theres nothing to moan about, surely? Two generations have gone by since Thatcher was elected, you have your rightist nirvana, your living in it.


I don't have anything to moan about except the EU. Everyone has had to cope with what successive governments have done over the years, and yet still the Tories get voted in. They can't be doing that bad. You make your own way in this world, and shouldn't expect anyone else to make it all easy for you. And that's from someone who hasn't done particularly well for himself. Take responsibility for your own life. If it's shit, do something about it. If you can't, then like with me, tough. Life isn't easy. If it was, we'd all moan that we were bored.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tories had to hoodwink the Lubdums into coaltion in 2010 then had to dangle the Euro referendum to get elected again and only just managed to cling on in the last election. Yes people vote Tory but then people eat crap food and wonder why tbey get fat.

An interesting Quara post on dictatorshuos and why they're always right wing. https://www.quora.com/Has-there-ever-been-a-right-wing-dictatorship
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The tories had to hoodwink the Lubdums into coaltion in 2010 then had to dangle the Euro referendum to get elected again and only just managed to cling on in the last election. Yes people vote Tory but then people eat crap food and wonder why tbey get fat.

An interesting Quara post on dictatorshuos and why they're always right wing. https://www.quora.com/Has-there-ever-been-a-right-wing-dictatorship


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PostPosted: 22:59 - 27 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
The tories had to hoodwink the Lubdums into coaltion in 2010 then had to dangle the Euro referendum to get elected again and only just managed to cling on in the last election. Yes people vote Tory but then people eat crap food and wonder why tbey get fat.

An interesting Quara post on dictatorshuos and why they're always right wing. https://www.quora.com/Has-there-ever-been-a-right-wing-dictatorship


Lol... so Stalin wasn't a dictator, or Castro Thinking
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 28 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Ribenapigeon wrote:
The tories had to hoodwink the Lubdums into coaltion in 2010 then had to dangle the Euro referendum to get elected again and only just managed to cling on in the last election. Yes people vote Tory but then people eat crap food and wonder why tbey get fat.

An interesting Quara post on dictatorshuos and why they're always right wing. https://www.quora.com/Has-there-ever-been-a-right-wing-dictatorship


Lol... so Stalin wasn't a dictator, or Castro Thinking


Isn't the basic problem with Marxism/Communism, looks like socialist, is actually capitalist?

Total equality looks like a brilliant idea on paper, but one of life's great truisms is that there are two types of people, leaders and followers, but there are more followers than leaders.

So when it comes down to it, an equal society is a terrific idea, until the first time somebody has to make a decision, then that somebody becomes the leader and is suddenly a cut above the rest.

That leader can choose to be totally egalitarian, but inevitably someone else will decide they would like to be the leader, then it all breaks down into a power/wealth struggle and the socialist ideal goes out of the window.

Corbyn/Watson personifies this model.
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 28 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
The tories had to hoodwink the Lubdums into coaltion in 2010 then had to dangle the Euro referendum to get elected again and only just managed to cling on in the last election. Yes people vote Tory but then people eat crap food and wonder why tbey get fat.

An interesting Quara post on dictatorshuos and why they're always right wing. https://www.quora.com/Has-there-ever-been-a-right-wing-dictatorship


So stuff you like is left wing, stuff you don't like is right wing, basically?

Long queues at Mcdonalds? Right wing
Jacob Rees-Mogg gives you a bundle of £50s? Left wing
A seagull craps on your head? Right wing
It's a warm, sunny day? Left wing
Conservative funded national health service? Left wing
Jeremy's LIE about paying off all student debt? Right wing

Any other suggestions guys?

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So when it comes down to it, an equal society is a terrific idea


No, it's not even a good thing to aim for. You cannot get rid of hierarchies. They are inevitable, in just about every endeavour you can think of. The fact is, we are not all equal - intelligence, athletic ability, artistic ability etc etc. These are facts of life. So there will always be hierarchies.

It is right that the best should get to the top.
It is also good that society works not to leave those less fortunate too far behind. But equality of outcome...equity ( Mad )...is not a good thing to aim for. It's simply impossible to achieve, and would be ruinous if you tried to force it artificially, as we are beginning to see (again).
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PostPosted: 00:57 - 28 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Shaft wrote:


So when it comes down to it, an equal society is a terrific idea


No, it's not even a good thing to aim for. You cannot get rid of hierarchies. They are inevitable, in just about every endeavour you can think of. The fact is, we are not all equal - intelligence, athletic ability, artistic ability etc etc. These are facts of life. So there will always be hierarchies.

It is right that the best should get to the top.
It is also good that society works not to leave those less fortunate too far behind. But equality of outcome...equity ( Mad )...is not a good thing to aim for. It's simply impossible to achieve, and would be ruinous if you tried to force it artificially, as we are beginning to see.


You should've just quoted the rest of my post, it would've saved you a lot of typing Wink
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 28 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You should've just quoted the rest of my post, it would've saved you a lot of typing Wink


Yeah, you're probably right.
But hell, I have nothing better to do Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:30 - 28 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are all the Leavers huffing and puffing about Labour in this thread?

Surely the 17.4m Leave voters aren't looking to vote for a party which is calling for a second referendum, so there isn't a cat in hells chance of Labour winning, much better to go with the party led by the MEP who took GBP200K in 'gifts' over a decade? Amirite or wot?
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Probably because it’s Labour behind indoctrinating the yoof through conquered education and media.


Yeah really. After ten years of Tory governance you think the media and education have been conquered by Labour. What kind of idiot fantasy are you living in???

And here's this.

Brexit Propaganda Broadcast in 3000 primary schools

https://i2.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/PRI_86808905.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=540%2C591&ssl=1

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Earlier today parents in Walthamstow contacted extremely concerned about the content of a presentation about the prime minister’s proposals and Brexit that had been broadcast on what transpires to be 3,000 digital noticeboards of primary schools around this country, without the consent of the schools


There we go, double header. Education and media, together, used by the right. And this is in schools FFS, a place of education for those who are learning about the world for the very first time. This is indoctrination pure and simple. UK's going down a proper worrying path at the moment and it has nothing to do with Brexit any more.
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PostPosted: 03:28 - 28 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
...UK's going down a proper worrying path at the moment and it has nothing to do with Brexit any more.


Oh I do hope so, things have got rather dull lately. Bit of blood on the streets ought to brighten things up Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 07:50 - 28 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:
...UK's going down a proper worrying path at the moment and it has nothing to do with Brexit any more.


Oh I do hope so, things have got rather dull lately. Bit of blood on the streets ought to brighten things up Twisted Evil


You're saying that but think about the reality of it. No not yoofs on scoots with knives but those in society where real hatred and resentment has been growing for some time. These are not dense people, these are real people who have lots almost everything. It just takes them to drop to that losing of everything point and they will have nothing more to lose..
It only takes one or two people to co-ordinate chaos in the UK. Not mass shootings but more destruction of infrastructure. The UK depends on its fragile energy network. Gas, electricity, heck throw in water and railways too. The UK is vulnerable in this regard.
I actually think that beneath all of this chaos we're seeing in politics and the cutting of services that we're creating an enemy within. I believe it's only a matter of time before we see things happening and from British people to their own country.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 28 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Ribenapigeon wrote:
The tories had to hoodwink the Lubdums into coaltion in 2010 then had to dangle the Euro referendum to get elected again and only just managed to cling on in the last election. Yes people vote Tory but then people eat crap food and wonder why tbey get fat.

An interesting Quara post on dictatorshuos and why they're always right wing. https://www.quora.com/Has-there-ever-been-a-right-wing-dictatorship


Lol... so Stalin wasn't a dictator, or Castro Thinking


Calm down its just an interesting well written article. Its in no way a defence of a psycho like Stalin but it shows how totalitarianism can be described as a defacto aim of the right.
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No, it's not even a good thing to aim for. You cannot get rid of hierarchies. They are inevitable, in just about every endeavour you can think of. The fact is, we are not all equal - intelligence, athletic ability, artistic ability etc etc. These are facts of life. So there will always be hierarchies.

It is right that the best should get to the top.
It is also good that society works not to leave those less fortunate too far behind. But equality of outcome...equity ( Mad )...is not a good thing to aim for. It's simply impossible to achieve, and would be ruinous if you tried to force it artificially, as we are beginning to see (again).


So because the thick kids parents are high in a particular hierarchy that child gets to enjoy a leg up thats denied the clever kid whose parents are lower down in the hierarchy. Yes hierarchies exist, nobody denies that but regimes that protect privalidge by either actively protecting groups enjoying such or by omitting to protect others with capacity from accessing successes, thats bad and that's what the right actively promotes.
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