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PostPosted: 22:20 - 06 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I think that showed when labours best showing in recent times was under a PM (Blair) who could probably have been in charge of the Tories and no one would have thought him out of place.


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"After Tony Blair's election as Labour Party leader in 1994, Thatcher praised Blair as "probably the most formidable Labour leader since Hugh Gaitskell", adding: "I see a lot of socialism behind their front bench, but not in Mr Blair. I think he genuinely has moved." Blair responded in kind: "She was a thoroughly determined person, and that is an admirable quality.""
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 12 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54896340

Another wedge driven in.

Trying to work out the angles from these two shitweasels here - or is it the BBC trussing up the turkey by painting them as Corbyn's men and Starmer being such a supporter of a second stab at Brexit?
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 12 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Two comments on that:

No, labour are edging current polls because Boris is a hopeless mess.

"Reinterpreting patriotism in a sense of progressiveness." What is this bollocks? Patriotism isn't a difficult concept to understand. It's simply wanting your country to do well. No reinterpretation necessary.
"Progressiveness" otoh, is a vague term that means different things to different people, and all too often seems to mean change for change's sake, rather than for any kind of improvement. Replacing what people like and what works is not progress imo, nor is telling people what they should or shouldn't believe, especially with the insinuation of "we know what's good for you."
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 12 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Chickenstrip, one could equally argue that change for the sake of change is a regressive act - it depends upon whether one improves something via that change.

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does make sense if by being progressive, one becomes prouder of one's country.

It is all wordy bollocks designed to sound intelligent and confuse the plebs Smile
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 12 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Chickenstrip, one could equally argue that change for the sake of change is a regressive act - it depends upon whether one improves something via that change.


Well, duh.

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Reinterpreting patriotism in a sense of progressiveness


does make sense if by being progressive, one becomes prouder of one's country.


You qualified it. But mostly I hear the word used in vague terms that seem more to do with disparaging the idea of 'nation', or some other concept that the so-called "progressives" don't like. Why not just say "more patriotic"? To answer my own question, because it isn't what they mean.

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It is all wordy bollocks designed to sound intelligent and confuse the plebs Smile


Quite. "Look how smart we are - you can't understand us." Frankly, who wants to - you're all full of shit.
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You qualified it. But mostly I hear the word used in vague terms that seem more to do with disparaging the idea of 'nation', or some other concept that the so-called "progressives" don't like. Why not just say "more patriotic"? To answer my own question, because it isn't what they mean.


Before you get your beak in a twist I am just messing here, but what you appear to be suggesting is that the only way one can become more patriotic is by adopting the opposite of progression, which to my feeble mind is 'regression'... Shocked
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 12 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You qualified it. But mostly I hear the word used in vague terms that seem more to do with disparaging the idea of 'nation', or some other concept that the so-called "progressives" don't like. Why not just say "more patriotic"? To answer my own question, because it isn't what they mean.


Before you get your beak in a twist I am just messing here, but what you appear to be suggesting is that the only way one can become more patriotic is by adopting the opposite of progression, which to my feeble mind is 'regression'... Shocked


I'm sorry, I can't help you if you don't understand English.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 12 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Let me just don my string vest and Union Jack underpants...

"Progressive" in the article is just a euphemism for more reliance on the State - it always is with Labour, new or old. Patriotism has a chance of promoting social cohesion and therefore bad and must be "re-evaluated."
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Progressive = Proud = Patriotic = Rasis

Radio 1 got it right. They had a special feature on a new Drill artist tonight. A BAME teenager who's 'songs' consist of slagging off people she used to work with.
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PostPosted: 03:00 - 13 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
bhinso wrote:
Progressive = Proud = Patriotic = Rasis

Radio 1 got it right. They had a special feature on a new Drill artist tonight. A BAME teenager who's 'songs' consist of slagging off people she used to work with.


Drill artist?
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Drill artist?


Take something like Drum & Bass or Dub Step, remove all melody, add "my girlfriend done leave me" misery lyrics and apply autotune...

Drill "music"
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God yeah the autotune is horrendous.

The news tonight was that Octavian has lost his album due to claims of abuse. As far as I'm concerned the 'abuse' was that autotune.

Autotune just suggests to me 'I have no singing talent but I'd like to cash in on the £cow anyway'

Anyway it goes
rap = shite
grime = as above, but you get to be political about Grenfell and stuff
drill = as above, but with violence and moped robbings
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Two things here.....

Jeremy readmitted. He's obviously served his jail term. Made some conciliatory noises and is now admitted back into the fold. While I actually don't think he did that much wrong, the Yid cartel is not going to be happy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54976558

And in other news a Labour elected peer jumps ship after being ̶s̶e̶t̶ ̶u̶p̶ a naughty boy. Not sure on this one either as it says he groped her leg but she still went to his house and shagged him multiple times. It wasn't rape (she's not accusing him of it anyway) so it begs the question, why did she jump his bones?

It strikes me more of a woman scorned when he wouldn't leave his wife for her, but hey, in todays toxic society, anything is wrong if you decide it is. Rolling Eyes

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54975932
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:
Two things here.....

Jeremy readmitted. He's obviously served his jail term. Made some conciliatory noises and is now admitted back into the fold. While I actually don't think he did that much wrong, the Yid cartel is not going to be happy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54976558

And in other news a Labour elected peer jumps ship after being ̶s̶e̶t̶ ̶u̶p̶ a naughty boy. Not sure on this one either as it says he groped her leg but she still went to his house and shagged him multiple times. It wasn't rape (she's not accusing him of it anyway) so it begs the question, why did she jump his bones?

It strikes me more of a woman scorned when he wouldn't leave his wife for her, but hey, in todays toxic society, anything is wrong if you decide it is. Rolling Eyes

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54975932


On the Jezza bit - FFS; seriously, just have a clear out of all the people that can't seem to tow the party line before it divides the party even further and we end up with sod all credible opposition again.

On the touchy feely - well, I'm a little less forgiving on that. She had her issues and went to him with those issues, and was in a position of trust / power. Yeah, she could make adult decisions but he's still picked on a vulnerable chick. That said, hey I'd not be married now if I hadn't done just that so Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 18 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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On the Jezza bit - FFS; seriously, just have a clear out of all the people that can't seem to tow the party line before it divides the party even further and we end up with sod all credible opposition again.


Well here's Rachel Riley on it - which is both insightful and wonderful to look at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S6p3sHdBtE
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 18 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
So it would appear now before dipping your wick you need to gather

Signed statement from witnesses present at point of meeting to state no assault took place.

Signed statement from Sexual partner that they are consenting to sexual activity on a given date between given times. Must list all activities that will take place.

Signed statement from sexual partner listing any and all medication they are on or have been on.

Signed statement from a doctor that said list of medication does not interfere with possible consent or lead to a mental state where exploitation is possible.

Signed statement from partner after the act stating that she still consents to what has already occured and that this activity should not be taken as an indicator of a desire for further activity, which if either party does desire will require a repeat of all the above.

We'll eventually create a climate where for single men porn becomes preferable to sex.
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We'll eventually create a climate where for single men porn becomes preferable to sex.


Incels and Simps.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 18 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Incels and Simps.


Sort of heard of the 1st, never heard of the 2nd. Googled it...... wtf, where's the button for the planetary ejector seat, I want off Laughing
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Jeremy Corbyn wrote:
Last month, I was suspended from the Labour Party, after 54 years’ membership and four and a half years as party leader.
On the day I was suspended I gave a broadcast interview to clarify what I had said in response to the EHRC report, and I also made a statement to the party to clear up any confusion about what I had meant, as follows:
“The publication of the EHRC report should have been a moment for the Labour Party to come together in a determination to address the shortcomings of the past and work as one to root out antisemitism in our own ranks and wider society. We must never tolerate antisemitism or belittle concerns about it. And that was not my intention in anything I said this week. I regret the pain this issue has caused the Jewish community and would wish to do nothing that would exacerbate or prolong it. To be clear, concerns about antisemitism are neither "exaggerated" nor "overstated". The point I wished to make was that the vast majority of Labour Party members were and remain committed anti-racists deeply opposed to antisemitism. I fully support Keir Starmer’s decision to accept all the EHRC recommendations in full and, in accordance with my own lifelong convictions, will do what I can to help the Party move on, united against antisemitism which has been responsible for so many of history’s greatest crimes against humanity.”
I’m grateful to the many thousands of Labour party members, trade unionists, and supporters in Britain and around the world, who have offered their solidarity.
I hope this matter is resolved as quickly as possible, so that the party can work together to root out antisemitism and unite to oppose and defeat this deeply damaging Conservative government.



Translation:
JC's bottled it and apologised as he clearly 'misspoke'.
Keir's cut him a deal otherwise he'd have to take Abbo on Laughing


What a shambles. Was hoping for more from Starmer but as things stand I'll not vote for the spineless turd.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 18 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Absolutely no idea what's going on with Labour now. Starmer was making all the right moves for the first several months, but this Corbyn thing is pure nonsense. It's like he's juggling some kind of Corbyn hot potato, trying to appease the "waahhhhh he hates Jews" brigade and at the same time not overly annoy the Corbynistas.

I was a Corbynista for a while but I didn't really mind him being given the boot, for the sake of the bigger picture. However, I think now Starmer is just being an idiot. He could have just let Corbyn's legacy silently fade away over the course of a year or two, but instead he's sat there publicly contradicting himself with his claims of uniting the party while simultaneously chucking Corbyn from pillar to post in plain sight.

Kier Starmer on Facebook wrote:

Since I was elected Labour leader, I have made it my mission to root out antisemitism from the Labour Party.

I know that I will be judged on my actions, not my words.
The disciplinary process does not have the confidence of the Jewish community. That became clear once again yesterday.

It is the task of my leadership to fix what I have inherited. That is what I am resolute in doing and I have asked for an independent process to be established as soon as possible.

I’m the Leader of the Labour Party, but I’m also the Leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party.

Jeremy Corbyn’s actions in response to the EHRC report undermined and set back our work in restoring trust and confidence in the Labour Party’s ability to tackle antisemitism.

In those circumstances, I have taken the decision not to restore the whip to Jeremy Corbyn. I will keep this situation under review.
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I didn't think anyone could do more than Boris to make himself unelectable but Kier appears to be asking Johnson to hold his beer.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 19 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
wr6133 wrote:
So it would appear now before dipping your wick you need to gather

Signed statement from witnesses present at point of meeting to state no assault took place.

Signed statement from Sexual partner that they are consenting to sexual activity on a given date between given times. Must list all activities that will take place.

Signed statement from sexual partner listing any and all medication they are on or have been on.

Signed statement from a doctor that said list of medication does not interfere with possible consent or lead to a mental state where exploitation is possible.

Signed statement from partner after the act stating that she still consents to what has already occured and that this activity should not be taken as an indicator of a desire for further activity, which if either party does desire will require a repeat of all the above.

We'll eventually create a climate where for single men porn becomes preferable to sex.


Why are BLM not to be consulted in this Woke permission gathering requirements list.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 02 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Let's increase taxes to pay for Covid?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56246532

Labour: erm... Thinking That might might hurt Big Business, let's not be hasty!

Have I slipped into a parallel universe?!
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Let's increase taxes to pay for Covid?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56246532

Labour: erm... Thinking That might might hurt Big Business, let's not be hasty!

Have I slipped into a parallel universe?!


It's a mirror of the SNP. Just fight the government on every agenda and we will sort the utter lies out when we have to.

I actually wanted Starmer to do well and reinvent the Labpur party. He failed at the first hurdle promoting David Lammy, the nastiest racist (anti white, obviously) going. Now hes just being submerged under a left wing tsunami.
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Agree as above. KS seems like he's decided it's a cushy number and hasn't an ounce of fight.

Labour still full of Islingtonites and people utterly unrepresentative of the working classes. I'd go as far as to say..... dare I.....that Conservatives seem to have more skin in the game in the centre ground Shocked

The window of opportunity to tax heavier has never been so open - I don't agree with the principle but I also wouldn't sell my bike at 10% less than the going rate just to make the point.
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