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| Ribenapigeon wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: |
No, it's not even a good thing to aim for. You cannot get rid of hierarchies. They are inevitable, in just about every endeavour you can think of. The fact is, we are not all equal - intelligence, athletic ability, artistic ability etc etc. These are facts of life. So there will always be hierarchies.
It is right that the best should get to the top.
It is also good that society works not to leave those less fortunate too far behind. But equality of outcome... equity (  )...is not a good thing to aim for. It's simply impossible to achieve, and would be ruinous if you tried to force it artificially, as we are beginning to see (again). |
So because the thick kids parents are high in a particular hierarchy that child gets to enjoy a leg up thats denied the clever kid whose parents are lower down in the hierarchy. Yes hierarchies exist, nobody denies that but regimes that protect privalidge by either actively protecting groups enjoying such or by omitting to protect others with capacity from accessing successes, thats bad and that's what the right actively promotes. |
Why do you assume I think this? It's not what I said at all. The quote is above. Read it again if you like. Perhaps after you've read it a few times, you'll understand it.
You're just another one who wants equality of outcome, but doesn't get what it would actually mean in practical terms. I'm talking about a society that has equality of opportunity (and no one denies there is work to be done in this area), and achievement based on merit.
There are things I don't like about what all the parties say and do at times. That's why we need all sides of the coin in our politics. Anyone who wants only one side is going to be in for disappointment if they actually get it. It's not a good thing to strive for. And you will never have perfection in any political system. You hopefully do the best you can, but it means constant adjustment. This is something that never ends - it cannot. You're dreaming of a state that is perfect and never needs any more work. Good luck with that.
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There's been an undeniable drift to the left in education and mainstream media over the years. Personally I don't think this has really materialised into anything tangible in this country beyond the shrillness of the whining.
Worth trotting this out again if you're wondering why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4&t
Getting back to Labour I think Momentum are the most off-putting aspect of Labour for the electorate. They've shown their back-stabbing capabilities extend all the way to the top. Would you trust a party with such a dangerous internal faction?
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What utter shit. Have you missed the RMT and other union banners at these school children "climate change" demonstrations? I've certainly noticed them on the news clips.
Why do you think they're being branded as "strikes"? Who exactly are the children denying of their services? It's not a "strike", they're just being indoctrinated by hard left groups such as XR, who are abusing the badge of "climate change" to get kids to get used to practising civil disobedience against a right of centre government. XR's motives are far more than climate change, they're just using this and children to create the next generation of far left militants.
Take a kid out of school for a day to halve the price of a holiday and you get fined thousands, let them bunk off for the day in the name of climate change and it's actively encouraged by the left wing teachers.
There's a bloody good reason they do these protests on a school day, it's to boost the numbers, by letting the kids bunk off without fear of any trouble. It's like a fecking non uniform day to them.
I don't think I've ever met a right wing teacher in the last 10 years. They're all like you, Peter Pan characters too terrified of the real world, so hide away in educations into their adult life, meaning they never matured out of student lefty politics.
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Another one of your delusions. You obviously haven't met any teacher in the last 10 years. Why would you? You blatantly have no children and you have no interest at all in the education system other than the fact that you've decided all teachers must be left wing, because anything even remotely academic is always left wing in your extremely limited world view. You know nothing about teachers.
And what's this about Extinction Rebellion? Why are you talking about a recently formed activist group? The government controls education, you div. This is easy. Should have stayed in school a bit longer.
Also maybe you should ask yourself why the nation is going down the pan, full of thickos like yourself with a myopic and naive world view based on lies and hysteria. Maybe it's because idiots like you consistently claim that the teaching profession is not worthy, so there are no good teachers left to raise tomorrow's generation. And then you claim for some reason that even teachers, who work and pay tax like anyone else, are somehow not the correct kind of worker or the correct kind of taxpayer. They somehow are work dodgers too. Is anything ever good enough for you? Is your brain actual fully functional? Rhetorical question, the answer is obvious. |
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Another one of your delusions. You obviously haven't met any teacher in the last 10 years. Why would you? |
Because I have a life and friends you tit. I know 6 teachers and all are stanch Labour, pro Remain.
| Lord Percy wrote: | You blatantly have no children and you have no interest at all in the education system other than the fact that you've decided all teachers must be left wing, because anything even remotely academic is always left wing in your extremely limited world view. You know nothing about teachers. |
You silly boy. You're like a petulant teenager in a small man's body.
| Lord Percy wrote: | And what's this about Extinction Rebellion? Why are you talking about a recently formed activist group? The government controls education, you div. This is easy. Should have stayed in school a bit longer. |
Is there a valid point in that drivel?
Anyone who's lived in the real world can see the left wing bias in education and the media. Being a Peter Pan student who hid away in education well into adulthood, you're a perfect example of an indoctrinated left wing socialist sheep.
| Lord Percy wrote: | Also maybe you should ask yourself why the nation is going down the pan, |
People like you don't help.
| Lord Percy wrote: | full of thickos like yourself with a myopic and naive world view based on lies and hysteria. Maybe it's because idiots like you consistently claim that the teaching profession is not worthy, so there are no good teachers left to raise tomorrow's generation. And then you claim for some reason that even teachers, who work and pay tax like anyone else, are somehow not the correct kind of worker or the correct kind of taxpayer. They somehow are work dodgers too. Is anything ever good enough for you? Is your brain actual fully functional? Rhetorical question, the answer is obvious. |
You really do think you're superior to everyone else don't you? You're constantly trying to force this image that you're more intelligent than anyone you debate with. In reality, you're one of the biggest self important tools, I've ever had the misfortune to encounter on the Internet and you're not half as bright as you like to think you are. 
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You really do think you're superior to everyone else don't you? You're constantly trying to force this image that you're more intelligent than anyone you debate with. In reality, you're one of the biggest self important tools, I've ever had the misfortune to encounter on the Internet and you're not half as bright as you like to think you are. |
You're not one of, you are the most deluded, myopic, racist, hateful, conceited, insular, unworldly person I've ever had the misfortune to encounter on he internet, and you're not as socially virtuous or morally upstanding as you like to think you are, not by a long margin.
Triggered are we?
I don't think I'm superior to everyone else, just you. You ask for it, I respond. I like learning through debate, and have done so many times with many people on this forum, but not you. You're thick as a plank and have not changed one bit in all the time you've been on here, abusing people, insulting them for no reason, spreading your hatred of the week into any random thread. If someone disagrees with you, you don't discuss, you insult. You're miles on the wrong side of the dunning kruger effect. Do you know what that is? Probably not, you should look it up.
By the way I had a good time in Thailand. 50% of the women wore Muslim headgear and I saw four mosques just in the areas I passed through. Surely a man with your wisdom and foresight should have known about this before dreaming up your idea of retiring to Phuket with it's "fewer Muslims". And you claim I'm the one who knows nothing of the world. |
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Or maybe some are just terrified of entering the real world outside of education, would like to only work 190 days a year, with a decent pension at the end of it, then whine like a drain that they have to "work" harder than people out in the real world? |
I take it the 6 teachers you know are aware of your opinion of their chosen profession, or are they the exceptions?
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What really annoys me are those who get into politics thinking they have all the answers and instead just make things worse.
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| Im-a-Ridah wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: |
Or maybe some are just terrified of entering the real world outside of education, would like to only work 190 days a year, with a decent pension at the end of it, then whine like a drain that they have to "work" harder than people out in the real world? |
Real world work tends to be a lot more comfy, the market drive means that companies tend to compete with better terms, wages, perks and so on. Teaching looks like a pretty draining and thankless task working for a sole employer, the state, on fixed terms. |
It doesn’t float my boat, but only having to work 9-3 for 190 days a year, with a decent pension, just to have to mark a bit of homework, seems a good deal to me. The pay's not bad to with a basic teacher starting at £25 to £40K pa. Whatever a TLR is, earns them up to an additional £13.6K a year. Then any role above bog standard teacher earns up to £114K even outside of London.
But hey, they're poorly treated and on strike all the time.
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Or maybe some are just terrified of entering the real world outside of education, would like to only work 190 days a year, with a decent pension at the end of it, then whine like a drain that they have to "work" harder than people out in the real world? |
I take it the 6 teachers you know are aware of your opinion of their chosen profession, or are they the exceptions? |
Yes Tarquin. You know me - I speak my mind and fiends or not (most are footie pals), I rib them and their lefty attitude.
You take me and my rants way too seriously. Some people have more understanding of relationships and getting on with people, even with a bit of banter.
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That doesn't surprise me.
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My stepfather apprenticed and served in Devonport dockyard for a while before going into teaching, I should imagine that most of your Millwall FC office worker mates would piss themselves in terror if they had to suffer a dockyard apprenticeship. |
And you think all teachers start off as dockyard workers? Get real. Most never work or live outside of education all their life.
| mentalboy wrote: | Those who don't see teachers at home don't appreciate that teachers tend to be teaching when they are at school which means that they'll be grading work for several hours at home each evening and for several hours on Saturdays and Sundays.
Sure, you say, but they finish nice and early at 3.30pm, perhaps if you weren't still in bed fisting your morning wood you might glimpse my missus working on school premises by 6.30am at the latest.
As for a generous pension plan, are you telling me that if you had put aside 11% of your wages over 30 years that you'd come out with a pension smaller than that of a teacher? |
Yeah, I've heard this myth that they spend hours every day marking homework, or preparing for lessons. I suppose this myth is needed so people don't realise they only work for 6 hours a day, 195 days a year.
I'm not sure when my teacher mates do these extra 40 hours a week, because they always seem to be down the pub.
It's just how all union led, left wing state workers behave. They all whine like a drain that they're over worked, be it Junior Doctors, Firemen, Police of teachers.
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My stepfather apprenticed and served in Devonport dockyard for a while before going into teaching, I should imagine that most of your Millwall FC office worker mates would piss themselves in terror if they had to suffer a dockyard apprenticeship. |
And you think all teachers start off as dockyard workers? Get real. Most never work or live outside of education all their life.
| mentalboy wrote: | Those who don't see teachers at home don't appreciate that teachers tend to be teaching when they are at school which means that they'll be grading work for several hours at home each evening and for several hours on Saturdays and Sundays.
Sure, you say, but they finish nice and early at 3.30pm, perhaps if you weren't still in bed fisting your morning wood you might glimpse my missus working on school premises by 6.30am at the latest.
As for a generous pension plan, are you telling me that if you had put aside 11% of your wages over 30 years that you'd come out with a pension smaller than that of a teacher? |
Yeah, I've heard this myth that they spend hours every day marking homework, or preparing for lessons. I suppose this myth is needed so people don't realise they only work for 6 hours a day, 195 days a year.
I'm not sure when my teacher mates do these extra 40 hours a week, because they always seem to be down the pub.
It's just how all union led, left wing state workers behave. They all whine like a drain that they're over worked, be it Junior Doctors, Firemen, Police of teachers. |
I suppose that if you view Ashford as a standard for stereotypical teachers then it's not hard to understand your view. Some of the thickest cunts I've ever had the displeasure to meet came from that neck of the woods.
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Oh look, mpd72 once again desperately trying to maintain his fantasy hate narrative even when presented with hard evidence from someone who actually knows what they're on about.
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