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Posted: 21:24 - 29 Oct 2019 Post subject: |
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Also been using the Gerbing XR12's for several years now. Early versions (pre 2014 ish) kept dying (both in gloves and controller), but Gerbing always honoured their lifetime warranty on electrical gubbins, and always with a fast turnaround of a couple of days - which is what you want when they die in the middle of a freezing January and you commute every day. However, I'm now about to dig out the last iteration for their 5th winter, seems like they've nailed the reliability issues.
I always wired them in as per ADSrox0r, but I recently picked up some batteries for them in a sale on their site. They don't get as hot on battery, batteries last approx 2 hours and do make them a bit bulkier - but still manageable. Just used them on a hire bike in California going over Yosemite's Tiago Pass and round Lake Tahoe - dead handy on the cold mornings.
I did bust a controller in a slide, but never hand any hassle getting replacements (gloves held up fine with minor scuff). I see they've got a new range out now, so not sure if they'll now phase out the older controllers etc (and hence why I got batteries cheaper) - but then the range had been available for the last 7 years odd... ____________________ Beginner Biker Adventures Blog
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Ordered the XRL12's. Made use of the 15% discount, but 150 quid is still a lot for a pair of gloves. They appear to be in Kent, not too far for an angry rant if they break
Assume the battery cable is just a 2-contact DC connector. If someone can let me know the pocket size Ill find some suitable lipo/life4po cells. Gerbing make upto 3Ah? but there is no way three x 3Ah cells are fitting on the back of each glove. I think two cells 1500mAh or 3 cell 1000mAh would be pushing the size limit.
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-11-1V-1000mAh-3S-25C-Lipo-RC-Battery-JST-Plug-for-RC-Helicopter-Airplane-B-EL/323445514034
lipo/life4po cells are quite cheap, so OE ones are massively over priced. |
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I wanted the Gerbings but had a voucher for J&S from some Richa Cold Protect which I returned, so got the Keis G501.
They are colder than my £15 Akito winter gloves which I got from ebay.
Heat wise, well, it IS a game changer, however, it feels like they "burn" the back of the hand and thumb, while the fingers still get cold because: the elements don't go there; the gloves are thinner than the average winter glove. However, due to the heat in the back of the hand, they do not get frozen.
I have yet to test it in cold cold as it's been mild lately. Also, one of them didn't work out the box so waiting for a replacement as out of stock...been riding with one of each lol.
Reason I returned the Richa was, as waterproof as they were, they get soggy af, and then your hands freeze anyway from the cold air, so no better than my £15 gloves.
TBH I regret investing the money...Could have bought other things instead. ____________________
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I do always query why people run other gloves when muffs are £30 and water and wind proof. I rode in -10s with no gloves...
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Try the RST Paragon Heated 2260 when you next visit.
The only real bulk is in the cuff where the battery goes, and that's only because its designed to have the jacket put inside (regardless) and then you pull the string over it. There's storm flap related material all around the cuff. I can't tell the battery is there when riding.
Not sure how it would stand up to high speeds, many miles etc as it all depends on wind exposure / bike; and yes it only heats the back of the hands from what I can tell so would need heated grips too.
I'll ride with them until too cold and then switch back to muffs and the Rukka gloves. ____________________ The do it all, T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶k̶e̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶,̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶i̶g̶ ̶l̶u̶m̶p̶,̶ ̶C̶h̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶N̶o̶o̶d̶l̶e̶ |
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kramdra wrote: | Gerbings are utter shit and being returned. They look like they were sewn by a 5 year old and have a large wart of extra material on the left thumb. They are bulky as fuck, like wearing a normal winter glove inside oven mitts. 3x more bulky than Enforcers. They have excessive heat around the knuckles, the fingers are patchy, but with no heat for the tip on any finger. On full heat, they are quite a bit less hot than the chinese carbon inserts.
I tried on Keis liners in J&S, very bulky for liners. I didnt try them turned on.
Its likely I will open up the spada enforcers, put heated insert inside and sew it back up with kevlar thread. I dont have much time, so I will try to prototype this and then get someone local to finish it. |
Weird, although the Gerbings are bulky on the outside, the palms seem to compress quite easily and never stopped me from operating the controls.
I find them warm and totally waterproof, and this morning my hands were fine on the 'Medium' setting using the battery packs. I find this is the most convenient thing, so I can use them on any bike, even loan bikes, very easily.
Anyway, as you were. ____________________ NSR125RR - ZXR750H1 - ZX9R E1 - GSF600S - GSF600SK3 - VFR400-NC30 - SV1000N - ST1100-R - CBR900RR-R - GSF1200SK5 - GSF600SK1 - VFR1200FA - GSXR1000K2 - ZZR1400 D8F
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stinkwheel wrote: | kramdra wrote: |
Have a spool of 2228R/m resistance wire Im prototyping with. Divided hand up into 3 sections, each gets 17 strands of 40cm length.sewn to cotton with a thin coating of (wax/sillicon sealant - undecided). Should be very durable and easy to position around the tips. |
A friend of mine made his own heated grips and cocked up the maths. Handlebars caught fire and he'd burned both hands by the time he managed to stop and put his gloves out. |
The maths are simple. That gives 0.24watts per strand covering two fingers, to be well distributed, and totaling about 2 watts per finger. The design will be tested and validated before it goes near a bike,with heating distribution biased to the tips. I have a simple switch fitted to the bike, so thats no issue if there were a problem.
If anyone interested, this is what got me through last winter. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-24W-12V-Warm-Winter-Carbon-Fiber-Motorbike-Heated-Gloves-Gloves-Universal/401652911506 They beat Gerbings for heat, and the finger is long enough to fold around the tip. Let down by durability, after a month or so, started to get hot spots where the carbon resistance increased.
They have evolved to wire version which I imagine would be much improved and better than the gerbing - if only it were constructed into a decent glove. Ive bougt similar heated pads, the design is good, wire is fine, durable and sewn onto cloth. The controller is essentially identical to the gerbing (tiny pwm circuit with 3 modes). https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2Pc-7-4V-Electric-Heated-Gloves-DIY-Motorcycle-Winter-Outdoor-Finger-Hand/233367654433 |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 168 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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