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| Labour |
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15% |
[ 17 ] |
| Conservatives |
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32% |
[ 36 ] |
| Liberal Democrats |
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13% |
[ 15 ] |
| Brexit Party |
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27% |
[ 31 ] |
| SNP |
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5% |
[ 6 ] |
| Green |
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1% |
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| Change |
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0% |
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| Plaid Cymru |
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0% |
[ 1 ] |
| DUP |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Independent |
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1% |
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Austerity is also about selling off the family silver, as Local Authorities have been forced to sell assets such as building stock in order to maintain certain services which they are obliged to by law.
It is funny that Gordon Brown was heavily criticised for selling off the family gold, yet the Tories aren't criticised for selling off the silver....
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| Diggs wrote: | Austerity is also about selling off the family silver, as Local Authorities have been forced to sell assets such as building stock in order to maintain certain services which they are obliged to by law.
It is funny that Gordon Brown was heavily criticised for selling off the family gold, yet the Tories aren't criticised for selling off the silver.... |
Oh yeah, great comparison!
Gordon Brown raided everyone's pension pots bonds and sold off the countries gold reserve at a time of prosperity, not austerity, meaning there was very little "family silver" to sell off when we really needed it, after Labour left us with a record deficit.
Unbelievable that you try to draw an even comparison.
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It is a good comparison because the Tories have stripped any fiscal resilience from Local Authorities. The impact of this upon ordinary people's lives is a reduction in public services, which impacts pensioners lives directly.
Like in the case of Gordon Brown, this was done when it wasn't absolutely necessary so nothing is left to raise money when we really need it....
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Most public sector workers are in it for themselves and just want to line their own pockets. |
That's old-school public sector... Most of the old-school have gone now and there is no slack in most areas of public service.
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| Diggs wrote: | It is a good comparison because the Tories have stripped any fiscal resilience from Local Authorities. The impact of this upon ordinary people's lives is a reduction in public services, which impacts pensioners lives directly.
Like in the case of Gordon Brown, this was done when it wasn't absolutely necessary so nothing is left to raise money when we really need it.... |
Eh? What planet do you live on?
Brown overspent, borrowed record amounts and even spunked up the countries savings during times of prosperity, leaving us in deep shit without a paddle.
If he hadn't, we'd still have gold reserves and pension bonds now, instead of a fecked and no longer self funding pension system and no gold reserves left, when they left office, leaving the country with record debts and a spiralling deficit.
Wibble...The logic of a lefty voter demonstrated perfectly. No wonder some of the countries lefties can't budget or add up.
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Its one thing signing up for Sky its another thing paying for it.
The reason poorer people buy into this consumerist crap is there is such a stigma around poverty. Ive had so many clients over the years who make stupid financial choices all to keep up appearances. Buy a big TV on tick then have no cash for the electricity. Its sad when I have to explain to someone they are genuinely poor, that they just cannot have all this stuff they see other people have, most of which is also funded by borrowed money. |
It's called being stupid and not being able to get your priorities right. There's no cure for that, so lets drop the victim card eh?
How many people claiming poverty and the need for food banks, put fags, booze, Sky TV and a smartphone before food?
As someone who's never needed the state to give me a living, I gave up smoking and don't have Sky TV, which gives me almost £400 a month more to spend on food than a "poor" person, even though my shop comes to under £60 a fortnight, or only £120 a month.
Do the maths...smoking 20 fags a day could easily feed a family of 4, let alone pay for the rest of the weekly shop.
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I see The Great Corbynista's next magic trick will be to plant 2,000,000,000 (yes, that's 2 billion) trees by 2040, or over 3 planted every second for the next 20 years. Cor blimey guv'nor.
It's scary that almost a third of grown adults still fall for this fool and his blatant fairy tales.
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Oh come on. I have to ask if that is the case is that why Universal credit isn't working, (some of) the people who get it are too stupid to know that they have to pay for rent, electric and food out of it and think it's 'pocket money'  .
If there are people are that stupid, and I'm sure you are correct and they are, they should be given food stamps and electric tokens, not money.
It's not degrading, they have proved they are not fit to handle (someone elses) money by buying a large TV on the tick and then expecting someone else to bail them out of trouble again.
\oh, and they shouldn't be allowed to vote or procreate but that's another issue.  |
Forty years of running our primary and secondary education system into the ground has had a major effect on peoples basic capacity. The increase in the xonsumer economy reliant on consumer credit also. You also have to factor in herd mentality and how its encouraged people to move in a cultural direction that's not actually in indivuduals long term benefit.
Its sad but simply indulging in disdain (as lovely a warm feeling of superiority as that gives you) is not a solution. |
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Okay, serious question now: why is the vote of some numpty with a sub-70s IQ and velcro on his trainers just as valuable as anyone else's?
Clearly the value of said numpty is low with regards other metrics e.g. work and pay. Or, if you want to dispense with capitalism, of low utility compared to someone capable of training as a doctor or engineer. But when it comes to political opinion he has been bestowed rights 
Personally I don't think you should be entitled to a vote until you've proved you have the responsibility and enough investment in society to have any say in how it is run (i.e. a meritocracy.)
Failing that, how about some sort of weighted proportional representation:
No job? You get a vote.
Job but claim benefits too? You get a vote + a 2nd preference vote
Job and not a burden to society? You get a vote + 2nd and 3rd preference... etc.
Don't ask me for an detail but the outcome should be less weight for those who are gratified by the mark on the voting paper coincidentally matching their own signature 
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If you have a person that is incapable of running their life, you have a carer for them or you have them put in a situation where others can look after them. No one says this is demeaning. However if you have someone who patently can't manage the money they get from the state to live on, it's perceived as demeaning to put in place a system which will make sure they have food on the table and a roof over their head without just throwing more (of someone else's) money at them.
As far as the threshold, once they have proved they can't look after themselves with their benefit money and are coming back for extra bailouts then that should be the cut off point. The benefits system is a safety net. Nothing more. If they have too much pride to take food stamps AFTER proving they can't manage their benefits by spending on unnecessary items like previously mentioned high end TV then go find another way to fund their lifestyle. |
One reason why I'm interested in the garanteed minimum income systems they are trialing in some places. Providing it's set up at a sensible rate, that's what everybody gets, your income is topped up to that level or if you have no income, that's what you're given. Nobody gets less than that. No sanctions, no exceptions but equally, no excuses.
Any further state aid after that could legitimately be in the form of the bare minimum essential things people failed to sort out for themselves because we can't have people starving on the streets. Effectively a dinner hall and a bed in a dorm.
One thing I think we should do is to give people who clearly can't manage to budget the same amount but as much smaller, more frequent payments. Not a monthly lump sum. Even down to daily in extreme cases. No reason we can't in the computer era. If you want a big ticket item, you need to learn to save but equally, if you immediately spend anything you're given, there's more tomorrow.
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One reason why I'm interested in the garanteed minimum income systems they are trialing in some places. Providing it's set up at a sensible rate, that's what everybody gets, your income is topped up to that level or if you have no income, that's what you're given. Nobody gets less than that. No sanctions, no exceptions but equally, no excuses. |
That's pretty much heading towards Communism isn't it?
| stinkwheel wrote: | One thing I think we should do is to give people who clearly can't manage to budget the same amount but as much smaller, more frequent payments. Not a monthly lump sum. Even down to daily in extreme cases. No reason we can't in the computer era. If you want a big ticket item, you need to learn to save but equally, if you immediately spend anything you're given, there's more tomorrow. |
Universal Credit has been a massive feck up. Mainly because the government had more faith in the people it props up on long term benefits. The problem is, all the time the state is there to pick up the pieces, nobody will bother to learn to fend for themselves or become responsible for their own actions. We're breeding a dumber nation as the wrong end of society is doing all the breeding. Something needs to change or we've fecked in a few generations.
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