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Which party gets your vote?
Labour
15%
 15%  [ 17 ]
Conservatives
32%
 32%  [ 36 ]
Liberal Democrats
13%
 13%  [ 15 ]
Brexit Party
27%
 27%  [ 31 ]
SNP
5%
 5%  [ 6 ]
Green
1%
 1%  [ 2 ]
Change
0%
 0%  [ 1 ]
Plaid Cymru
0%
 0%  [ 1 ]
DUP
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Independent
1%
 1%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 11 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I don't have anyone I really want to vote for


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PostPosted: 20:18 - 11 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
I wanted a hard Brexit. I became angry months ago. This announcement doesn't surprise me at all and in fact goes another step further in proving that politicians work for themselves. their parties or whatever.

Prediction with this? Tory win. I also reckon that Brexit will not happen because other MPs will once again cause chaos and everyone will give up.
The claim for giving up will be that Brexit is unworkable when in reality we'll all have seen how politicians point score and that f*cking about is why this country is in the mess it's in.

I'm an angry Northerner - more angry than usual.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 11 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:
Has anyone actually heard Farage say he won't contest a single Troy seat yet?

This is the version the media are all giving, but his words as far as I can see, is that they will fight all Labour and remain MP's. There are 185+ Tory remain MP's. Are these included or not?


Eddie Mair interviewed him on LBC tonight, sometime between 4 & 5.

I didn't hear it and I can't be bothered to, but I'm sure it will be on their listen again site if you want to.
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 11 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Farage has said TBO won't contest the 317 seats the Tory party won in the last election.
Having earlier correctly asserted that the WA wasn't going to deliver the Brexit we wanted this looks like Farage has been forced to kowtow by his backers, which itself is odd.
I ask again, why have Rees-Mogg and now TBP's financial backers decided that a WA, which effectively keeps us in and suppressed, is acceptable? I'll guess that they're so afraid of a sly Remain outcome that they're prepared to accept a half-way house which leaves some room for a backlash later. In my view though, this is a surrender. I'm left with no one to vote for. In hindsight a second referendum would have been better, which is why it didn't happen.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 11 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sister Sledge wrote:
I wanted a hard Brexit. I became angry months ago. This announcement doesn't surprise me at all and in fact goes another step further in proving that politicians work for themselves. their parties or whatever.

Prediction with this? Tory win. I also reckon that Brexit will not happen because other MPs will once again cause chaos and everyone will give up.
The claim for giving up will be that Brexit is unworkable when in reality we'll all have seen how politicians point score and that f*cking about is why this country is in the mess it's in.

I'm an angry Northerner - more angry than usual.


The future relationship is looking like a Canada+ trade agreement, which is hard Brexit. Even if we left no deal we would still want a trade agreement, and that would be Canada+.

mpd72 wrote:
Im-a-Ridah wrote:

UKIP might still stand in his seat.


I have no idea who to vote for now. Definitely not Lab/Lib/Green and Remain Troy Damian Green can stick his vote up his arse. (probably whilst watching porn on a government laptop).

It will have to be an Independent or UKIP now, just as protest vote as Green will slide his way in again, unchallenged.

The only TBP candidate in Kent is going to be student double voting Canterbury, where the 80,000 x2 students out number local residents.


Student turnout is likely to be very low. Coursework will be due around then for many students, exam revision starts, near end of term, and its cold. Sure the hardcore momentum types will vote but the average student will be AWOL.

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Farage has said TBO won't contest the 317 seats the Tory party won in the last election.
Having earlier correctly asserted that the WA wasn't going to deliver the Brexit we wanted this looks like Farage has been forced to kowtow by his backers, which itself is odd.
I ask again, why have Rees-Mogg and now TBP's financial backers decided that a WA, which effectively keeps us in and suppressed, is acceptable? I'll guess that they're so afraid of a sly Remain outcome that they're prepared to accept a half-way house which leaves some room for a backlash later. In my view though, this is a surrender. I'm left with no one to vote for. In hindsight a second referendum would have been better, which is why it didn't happen.


Because the WA isn't the important stage, the future relationship (FTA) is. They care about the end result, which is Canada+. I think Farage's American backers want us to realign not as an independent state but as an American client state, but TBP supporters and voters want us to have a more balanced status as an independent state but with our fingers in both pies. In the end he has fallen on the side of voters and supporters it seems.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 11 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Is anyone sending Michel Barnier a christmas card? Smile
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 11 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Richard wrote:
Because the WA isn't the important stage, the future relationship (FTA) is.

But doesn't the WA set restrictions on the future agreement such that we go into the next phase of negotiations with our hands tied? I'd sooner we'd have severe all ties and then said, "We're the 5th largest economy, a leading intelligence and technology hub, and we're on your doorstep. Let's talk."
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 11 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Im-a-Richard wrote:
Because the WA isn't the important stage, the future relationship (FTA) is.

But doesn't the WA set restrictions on the future agreement such that we go into the next phase of negotiations with our hands tied? I'd sooner we'd have severe all ties and then said, "We're the 5th largest economy, a leading intelligence and technology hub, and we're on your doorstep. Let's talk."


May's agreement gave the EU too much power in the negotiation of the future relationship. Weakening the Northern Ireland backstop weakens the hand of the EU to the point that it is less of an issue. The best approach is to maximise our current hand and try to improve it in the future. The government just doesn't have MPs to start calling the shots like a boss like you suggest. We've got rid of May, we've weakened the backstop, and we are gradually moving towards a Canada+ agreement, we just need to keep our current trajectory and avoid trying to grab an easy win.

Yes, we could take that "walk out" strategy but it might not actually work. The EU might just refuse to negotiate and tell us to just deal under WTO. This would play into the hands of remainers as they could argue that they want to "reverse the damage of no deal Brexit". We want to leave and stay out, not create conditions to go back in 3 years later.
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 11 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm-a-Ridah wrote:
We want to leave and stay out, not create conditions to go back in 3 years later.

Interesting. The agreement we are about to make seems likely to deliver precisely that grovelling return.
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 12 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
I do hope Mr. Ridah is right, but I've a sneaking suspicion we're being sold a pup. Where do you get your confidence from?
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 12 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
I do hope Mr. Ridah is right, but I've a sneaking suspicion we're being sold a pup. Where do you get your confidence from?


I'm not saying it's perfect, I'm saying you have no other option. All other roads lead to remain.
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 12 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
I do hope Mr. Ridah is right, but I've a sneaking suspicion we're being sold a pup. Where do you get your confidence from?


I'm not saying it's perfect, I'm saying you have no other option. All other roads lead to remain.


The road we're being steered down is Remain. "Sold a pup" is right.
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 12 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:

The road we're being steered down is Remain. "Sold a pup" is right.


In which case you have lost and you have no other options.
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PostPosted: 01:03 - 12 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Politics is a silly game. I'm not playing anymore Folded arms
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PostPosted: 01:20 - 12 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:

The road we're being steered down is Remain. "Sold a pup" is right.


In which case you have lost and you have no other options.

I'm wondering about the consequences of allowing a referendum which is then effectively ignored. The political elite seem to think they can decide on a different course of action and there will be no consequences at home. Sure, we can't change their decision but future obeyance is doubtful. Seems like it's every man for himself.
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 12 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Does anyone know if Farage's limited company is refunding the money it has taken from the ~300 who aren't now going to stand?
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I can't believe Farage trusts the Tories to do anything but act in their own interests and those of their backers. After effectively gifting Boris and co 300-odd seats, the Tories are happy to see TBP slide down the electoral pan like a fish and chip turd...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/general-election/general-election-news-nigel-farage-calls-on-boris-johnson-to-stand-down-tory-candidates-in-labour-held-seats/ar-BBWDuBb?ocid=spartanntp
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It wouldn't surprise me if they have agreed something privately, like a Knighthood. Saying that, If I were Farage I wouldn't trust BoJo to actually put him on the list....
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I'm voting Plaid Cymru.
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I'm voting Ukip

(jk). What happened to them?
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 12 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
bhinso wrote:
I'm voting Ukip

(jk). What happened to them?


Not going well by all accounts...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7481851/Ukip-leader-Richard-Braine-boycotting-party-conference-sold-450-ticket.html

However, I anticipate a small resurgence following Farage's capitulation...
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