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Which party gets your vote?
Labour
15%
 15%  [ 17 ]
Conservatives
32%
 32%  [ 36 ]
Liberal Democrats
13%
 13%  [ 15 ]
Brexit Party
27%
 27%  [ 31 ]
SNP
5%
 5%  [ 6 ]
Green
1%
 1%  [ 2 ]
Change
0%
 0%  [ 1 ]
Plaid Cymru
0%
 0%  [ 1 ]
DUP
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Independent
1%
 1%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: 00:43 - 26 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I look at Swinsons face and see a mans with long hair.



Ignoring the hair, reminds me of James O'Brien, sans beard.

He's a twat as well.
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PostPosted: 02:46 - 26 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For pure size there's always Jess Phillips


Good call.


Brings a whole new meaning to the term "Regime Cleavage" Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 26 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone think that the chief rabbi laying into Corbyn will put anyone off voting Labour?
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 26 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Does anyone think that the chief rabbi laying into Corbyn will put anyone off voting Labour?


Not that hasn't already. The ones left are voting on principle but while turning a blind eye to the policies. I spoke to one of the Labour campaigners yesterday and she seemed to be one of the anti-austerity types which is fine in principle but she was pretty short on alternatives. Obviously she gave what I call the "trident falacy" that you can finance all of your spending pledges by scrapping stuff you don't like such as Trident and tax breaks for rich people. It's a bit like if I was to say I'm going to rebuild Britain's military to WW2 levels, and then said I'll finance it by abolishing foreign aid, ok but where's the other 370 billion coming from.

The "I hate Tories" lot are quite funny too. Grrr fvck the rich Tories, I'm voting for Keir Starmer [closet Tory].
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 26 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:

Not that hasn't already. The ones left are voting on principle but while turning a blind eye to the policies. I spoke to one of the Labour campaigners yesterday and she seemed to be one of the anti-austerity types which is fine in principle but she was pretty short on alternatives. Obviously she gave what I call the "trident falacy" that you can finance all of your spending pledges by scrapping stuff you don't like such as Trident and tax breaks for rich people. It's a bit like if I was to say I'm going to rebuild Britain's military to WW2 levels, and then said I'll finance it by abolishing foreign aid, ok but where's the other 370 billion coming from.

The "I hate Tories" lot are quite funny too. Grrr fvck the rich Tories, I'm voting for Keir Starmer [closet Tory].


Austerity creates a debt as much as spending. It deferes investment and leads to deferred costs due to the lack of maintenence spending. Its what I think is called Technical Debt. Ten years of letting the country go to pot is as costly as borrowing to spend but without any benefit of creating growth.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 26 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Middle ground needed.

Something between austerity and Corbyn would be nice.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 26 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Austerity creates a debt as much as spending. It deferes investment and leads to deferred costs due to the lack of maintenence spending. Its what I think is called Technical Debt. Ten years of letting the country go to pot is as costly as borrowing to spend but without any benefit of creating growth.


That's a fair point - it's a tricky balancing act. I'm glad there are people brighter than me working out these details... oh... errr Sad
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 26 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hawkeye1250FA wrote:
Middle ground needed.

Something between austerity and Corbyn would be nice.


It's called voting for Corbyn. Half the stuff he wants to do isn't realistic so we would probably end up halfway there.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 26 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in 2010 the whole Tory thing was austerity, but now seems to be a bit of a U turn.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 26 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
Hawkeye1250FA wrote:
Middle ground needed.

Something between austerity and Corbyn would be nice.


It's called voting for Corbyn. Half the stuff he wants to do isn't realistic so we would probably end up halfway there.


Or he goes all in to complete his promises and has to tax us to fuck to do it.....

No tar.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 26 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
Back in 2010 the whole Tory thing was austerity, but now seems to be a bit of a U turn.


When you've driven the bus into the ditch how exactly can you do a U-turn?
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 27 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I take it as a socialist, the tax breaks to the poorer sections of society have passed you by unnoticed? You could only earn around £5K tax free under Labour, before they started robbing your wages off you. It's £12.5K tax free under the Tories. Minimum wage has also gone up way over the rate of inflation.


I think you'll find that raising the tax allowance was a Lib Dem thing - about the only "good" contribution they made to the coalition - and still something they're not thanked for. But past good deeds do not forgive their current rejection of democracy.

Amusing that Corbyn has had to admit that even poorer people might get hit by the new taxes!
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 27 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think you can say there is a working class anymore. Not a working class like when I was a kid. People who had to micro manage their money day to day just to get by. No meat on a Wednesday type existence. Dad handing the weekly pay packet to Mum so she could budget for the household.

Now even the poorest still have their i phones ans sky TV. Every house in our cul-de-sac has a sky dish and half of them are still council houses with people on benefits.

What is there now? poor, reasonably well off or stinking rich? I'm not even sure there is that much of a poor group anymore especially compared with people a generation or two ago.

What point am I making? Maybe that people don't vote because of their upbringing anymore but because of their aspirations.
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 27 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Polarbear wrote:

What point am I making? Maybe that people don't vote because of their upbringing anymore but because of their aspirations.


But that doesn't explain the boom in the self righteous hypocrisy of Champagne Socialism.

The left have somehow claimed the moral high ground, when in reality, they're just hell bent on encouraging the problems in society of uncontrolled immigration, lawlessness, victim creation and free loading.


The feeling I get (word on the street and all that) is that people are quite amazed at Labour's manifesto pledges and the first reaction is now "how's he gonna pay for that?" rather than rubbing their hands in glee at the freebies we would have seen in previous elections.

With regards to the traditional "Working Class" with the decline in manufacturing I don't think it exists any more. I would say it has split with the lower half (zero hours, gig economy) merging with the traditional underclass (raised up with more benefits) and the upper half meeting the former middle classes on their way down.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 27 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a choice of the usual three round my way, Con/Lab/Lib plus The Greens. Disappointing absence of TBP and not even any Independent candidates.

Unless Corbyn is stoned or resisting narcolepsy I reckon he has taken a leaf from Maggie Thatcher's book in interviews. She had obviously been coached to soften her naturally strident vocal tones and Corbyn seems to be up to something similar. It's not convincing.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 27 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Source, FFS.
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PostPosted: 03:03 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
Back in 2010 the whole Tory thing was austerity, but now seems to be a bit of a U turn.


In 2010 they were trying to solve the deficit to limit the runaway growth of debt. What they didn't realise is how bad things were economically with 3 economic failures cascaded together: banking crisis, Eurozone crisis, China slowdown. Nobody expected that horror show and a lost decade.

Essentially we need an "America First" strategy to encourage companies to invest and produce in the UK, not just import from China. If this means manipulating the market with subsidies and artificial regulatory games then so be it.

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I don't think you can say there is a working class anymore. Not a working class like when I was a kid. People who had to micro manage their money day to day just to get by. No meat on a Wednesday type existence. Dad handing the weekly pay packet to Mum so she could budget for the household.

Now even the poorest still have their i phones ans sky TV. Every house in our cul-de-sac has a sky dish and half of them are still council houses with people on benefits.

What is there now? poor, reasonably well off or stinking rich? I'm not even sure there is that much of a poor group anymore especially compared with people a generation or two ago.

What point am I making? Maybe that people don't vote because of their upbringing anymore but because of their aspirations.


Its the opposite, the cost of living has gone up big time primarily things like rail fares, rent and housing. Sure, phones are cheap, but phones are fairly cheap compared to houses. Also food is cheaper too as with other things made cheaper by automation.
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