Throretical question : roundabouts

[Hawkeye1250FA]

Morning all,

This one came to me the other day when I had to slam on to avoid an idiot.

Imagine a mini roundabout where one of the exits is a one way only (leaving the roundabout)

And this exit is on my right as Im approaching said roundabout.

If I were to continue - assuming no one was coming the wrong way down the one way street and therefore failed to give way to the right and ended up in a collision...

Whose fault is it in the eyes of the law?

1) 50/50
2) His fault for ignoring the no entry signs
3) My fault for not giving way to the right

Thoughts?

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[Ste]

Paint diagram is required.

[Hawkeye1250FA]

Wish granted
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[Ste]

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[Hawkeye1250FA]

The two cars are colliding together. Thats as much theoretical info I have sorry.

Idiot car has come through a no entry and entered the roundabout from a direction that no one should be coming from.

Driver entering the roundabout correctly - sees nothing coming from straight on and continues.

Both cars collide as the "correct" driver has not checked right for traffic coming the wrong way from a one way.



My thoughts are that it would probably end up being a 50/50, but wondered what others thoughts are?
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[Ste]

[Hawkeye1250FA]

pedantic Ste again eh?

Assume just before the "collision" there is no one on the roundabout.

Car a (me) is driving at 18.754 mph
Car b (idiot) is driving at 27.534 mph

Both cars cross the white line at the exact same time

So there is never a point in the timeline where there is "already a car on the roundabout".

Technically if anything - assume that the car coming from the no entry hits the side of car a.
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[Hawkeye1250FA]

Its theoretical gents. Lets keep it light.

Im fully aware good obs are needed - and the reason this is a theoretical "lets discuss" - rather than another entry in the crash thread is precisely because I did see him coming through a no entry and waited.

Purely after thoughts on whose legally in the wrong if someone didnt give good obs and actually got hit by him.


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[Hawkeye1250FA]

[Ste]

[Hawkeye1250FA]

Cool.

Thanks.

So the second theoretical question. Where do you stand if car (a) enters the roundabout first (if only by a second or 2)?

I assume thats then car bs fault?

"Give way to traffic already on the roundabout"
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[P.]

Theoretically, paint and signs can be disobeyed by all, never trust a road sign vs a cunt in a car.

Car 'shouldn't' have gone. Car probably should get points/fine... I can't find a direct one, but TS70 seems right.

Depends really, one-way wrong way driver could just lie and say he came round the roundabout unless you had camera evidence it'll be closer to 50/50 or your fault. banter train commences.

I still think the UK are retarded with mini roundabouts and they should be scrapped and we operate a US style 'one way has direct priority and the first person to arrive at the give way gets to go first when route is clear.'

That is smart. Instead we paint circles on the floor.

[Hawkeye1250FA]

Oh yeah - Completely agree that without dashcam its trousers down time

I wouldnt want to be having that conversation (as him) with his insurance company though.

"So you went through a clearly labelled no entry sign and hit another vehicle... And you think its someone else fault?"




On a more serious note, the reason for the post is because of what ive explained earlier, this exact situation appeared in front of me and obviously from riding a bike - I saw it and waited. I have no doubt at all that the majority of car drivers would have just sailed across and had a crash though.

Moral of the story is as Mpd puts it, always check and done rely on any kind of lights / signs.

idiots always be idiots.
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[Hawkeye1250FA]

[Hawkeye1250FA]

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I only give way if there isn't enough time from doing a burnout to reach a point that doesn't block their path
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[Hawkeye1250FA]

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[Hawkeye1250FA]

Well - yes, obviously.

I could also assume the front door was open and walk straight into it without checking.

Whats your point?
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[Easy-X]

Here's one for you: mini-roundabout with with three roads @ 120 degrees. Three vehicles, one at each entrance to the roundabout, arrive at the same time. Who has right of way?
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