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PostPosted: 01:55 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Ex police bike good idea? Reply with quote

Hi guys hoping for some advice here.

I'm in the market for my second big bike and have a particular model in mind. I've found one that seems exceptionally good value for money. It's a 14reg with 37k on the clock and is a good £1000 to £2000 cheaper than older models that tend to have roughly half that mileage on them.

Sorely tempting. Haven't gone to view it yet, hoping to do so over the weekend but wondering if anyone here has any experience of ex police bikes and whether it's a good idea?on the one hand I'm thinking it will have been strictly and routinely maintained. On the other hand I'm wondering if that mileage is something I should be worried about and has the bike been thrashed? Furthermore could there have been modifications that have been removed leaving butchered wiring?

All thoughts and input welcome and gratefully received.
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PostPosted: 02:10 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fear not, I'm not in the POLITE force.

LOL

The bike I'm looking at isn't a BMW and looks nothing like a typical police bike. Having said that it is white and blue Embarassed no chequer/batenberg or reflective vinyl though Shocked
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PostPosted: 03:10 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know about bikes, but a Met car driving officer I know says the maintenance is sh1t compared to 10+ years ago. They basically run the cars into the ground.

He said they can sit for hours with the engine idling so that's on top of whatever mileage they do.

However I stress that is cars, with bikes, who knows.
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PostPosted: 04:14 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 07:43 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is it? Pan European or am I decades out of date?

Probably cheaper because it has some holes where the radio and lights were fitted etc. Go take a look and judge on the condition it's in.
It could have been an escort only bike and spent it's life trundling about, or it could have belonged to a traffic copper who wrung it's neck every time he got on it.
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post a link to the bike to get the most helpful replies. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, no. Real bargains don't exist any more. A non police bike of the equivalent mileage sounds like it might be worth a similar amount anyway.

An (ex?) member on here once bought an ex police undercover Blackbird. It had done few miles but it had been butchered to fit radio and tracking gear if I recall correctly. And that was just an undercover observation bike.
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most bikes that go to auction these days have been canabalised to keep operational bikes going.

Back in the day, Police bikes were decommisioned at between 70 and 100,000 miles, but had been serviced every month regardless by the forces own in house workshops.

We knew who would be working on our vehicles and the workshop guys ensured that our bikes and cars were in tip top order.

Cars and bikes were also personal issue, so I used to ensure that my bike was put right as soon as something seemed amiss.

Now, bikes and cars are used by all and sundry (providing they have the right qualification). They are serviced and repaired by outside contractors who don't care as they get paid and it is difficult to prove if they have or have not doen the job properly (other than the obvious) and by the time they are decommisioned, they have been run into the ground.

I have brought an ex job car once, and that was my issue Ford Granada 2.8i which I had from new, I did 120,000 miles in it, and after being decommisioned, I purchased it at auction for just over £1K I did another 100,000 miles in it. I was lucky.

My old job bike (BMW) was auctioned off. When I changed to my new bike, the old bike was running perfectly. It was just the mileage that deemed it to be retired.

By the time it got to auction, the asking price was more than the civillian equivelant, the engine sounded like a tractor and the bodywork was wrecked (which is not how it left me)

Plain bikes can be a better option, but not much better as they have been often ridden harder and are also used by non traffic (but trained plain clothes bods) for surveillance and the like.

Would I buy an ex job bike? No, unless you can get it for peanuts and you don't mind spending time and money on it to get it back to a reasonable spec and quality.

There is one advantage. All the uniform bikes come with uprated electrics and alternators because of the additional electrical load, which of course does not exist when it is decommisioned.
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
Most bikes that go to auction these days have been canabalised to keep operational bikes going.

Back in the day, Police bikes were decommisioned at between 70 and 100,000 miles, but had been serviced every month regardless by the forces own in house workshops.

We knew who would be working on our vehicles and the workshop guys ensured that our bikes and cars were in tip top order.

Cars and bikes were also personal issue, so I used to ensure that my bike was put right as soon as something seemed amiss.

Now, bikes and cars are used by all and sundry (providing they have the right qualification). They are serviced and repaired by outside contractors who don't care as they get paid and it is difficult to prove if they have or have not doen the job properly (other than the obvious) and by the time they are decommisioned, they have been run into the ground.

I have brought an ex job car once, and that was my issue Ford Granada 2.8i which I had from new, I did 120,000 miles in it, and after being decommisioned, I purchased it at auction for just over £1K I did another 100,000 miles in it. I was lucky.

My old job bike (BMW) was auctioned off. When I changed to my new bike, the old bike was running perfectly. It was just the mileage that deemed it to be retired.

By the time it got to auction, the asking price was more than the civillian equivelant, the engine sounded like a tractor and the bodywork was wrecked (which is not how it left me)

Plain bikes can be a better option, but not much better as they have been often ridden harder and are also used by non traffic (but trained plain clothes bods) for surveillance and the like.

Would I buy an ex job bike? No, unless you can get it for peanuts and you don't mind spending time and money on it to get it back to a reasonable spec and quality.

There is one advantage. All the uniform bikes come with uprated electrics and alternators because of the additional electrical load, which of course does not exist when it is decommisioned.


Yeah... but just the Earl Mountbattenburg livery and the Blues with the Twos would come in handy. No?
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

They train police riders to ride in a much lower gear than most people will cruise at. The miles will be "harder" miles than normal.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:


Yeah... but just the Earl Mountbattenburg livery and the Blues with the Twos would come in handy. No?


The markings and equipment are removed long before they get to auction. Even fully marked up, idiots still don't see you.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all your input guys.

Was actually a bit reluctant to publish too much info about it or give a link in case it does turn out to be bargain of the century and one of you kind contributors beat me to it LOL!

Don't suppose it matters...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201909192387523

So I've taken onboard everything everyone has said. I'd still be interested to go look at it close up and inspect it for holes in the body work, maybe remove the seat and have a long hard stare at the wiring under there, round by the back lights and up by the yoke under the handlebars etc... maybe sit on it or take it for a ride to see how she runs. Other than what has already been said, looking at this bike specifically any comments or recommendations anyone can give about this particular advert please?

Much love!


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PostPosted: 19:09 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
A non police bike of the equivalent mileage sounds like it might be worth a similar amount anyway.


Not from what I have seen. The mileage is higher on this one and it's priced at £3,850. Other bikes I'm looking at, while around only half the mileage of this one they're around 2010 to 2013 and all seem to be priced £1,000 to £2,000 higher than this one...
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
They train police riders to ride in a much lower gear than most people will cruise at. The miles will be "harder" miles than normal.


Really? Personally I would have thought if a bike had spent most of its life cruising in a low gear, provided the bike has the torque to cope with it and the engine isn't labouring, that this would mean an easier life for the engine rather than being revved much higher??? Am I wrong in this assumption? If so, what's the best balance as I assume it's none too good to go round red-lining it all the time either? If I'm cruising at around 40mph on my 600 I will usually keep it in top gear unless I want to accelerate (if I remember correctly I think it will even cruise at 30mph in top gear), the bike seems to cope quite happy like this. Have I been doing wrong?
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

If cruising around in a low gear then the revs will be high and gives the engine a hard life.

If cruising around in a high gear then the revs will be low and gives the engine an easy life.

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Have I been doing wrong?

No, if cruising around in a high gear works for you then that's fine. Your wants and needs when riding around are different to those of the police.


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PostPosted: 19:28 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not massively high mileage for the year really and a good chunk was done in the first year or so. Looks okay from the photos. Best take it for a test ride.
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shite quality pictures for someone whos business is selling vehicles over the internet. It's almost like someone has run a blur filter over them...
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm....
behind the times as ususal
I was thinking Velocette LE

Check out the state of the art comms equipment
real bakelite that is



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PostPosted: 19:54 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
If cruising around in a low gear then the revs will be high and gives the engine a hard life.

If cruising around in a high gear then the revs will be low and gives the engine an easy life.

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Have I been doing wrong?

No, if cruising around in a high gear works for you then that's fine. Your wants and needs when riding around are different to those of the police.


Sorry blond moment there. I was getting low gear confused with low revs. Yes of course I understand that if the gear is lower then the revs will be higher. That makes more sense now as lower gears / higher revs will clearly give the engine a harder life. I thought stinkwheel was saying they train police riders to ride in much lower REVS than most people Embarassed



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Shite quality pictures for someone whos business is selling vehicles over the internet. It's almost like someone has run a blur filter over them...


Interestingly, from what I can make out, it's a Subaru CAR dealership. I think they've only taken this in part-ex and don't really get involved in selling bikes. Another reason why it could be priced low as it's a genuine 'priced to clear' (I cringe when I hear myself say that as it's a generic phrase you'll find in most trader adverts but could well be true in this case).
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
MCN wrote:


Yeah... but just the Earl Mountbattenburg livery and the Blues with the Twos would come in handy. No?


The markings and equipment are removed long before they get to auction. Even fully marked up, idiots still don't see you.


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PostPosted: 20:33 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucy S wrote:


Interestingly, from what I can make out, it's a Subaru CAR dealership. I think they've only taken this in part-ex and don't really get involved in selling bikes. Another reason why it could be priced low as it's a genuine 'priced to clear' (I cringe when I hear myself say that as it's a generic phrase you'll find in most trader adverts but could well be true in this case).


He has 6 bikes on autotrader. I'd say that makes him a bike dealer.
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucy S wrote:

Interestingly, from what I can make out, it's a Subaru CAR dealership. I think they've only taken this in part-ex and don't really get involved in selling bikes. Another reason why it could be priced low as it's a genuine 'priced to clear' (I cringe when I hear myself say that as it's a generic phrase you'll find in most trader adverts but could well be true in this case).


It's unusual they are selling it at any price, car dealers normally know little or nothing about bikes and consider them a liability.

In nearly 40 years of being in the car game, I think I've taken 3 bikes in part exchange, always because the seller was desperate to get rid, or I assume they were, because I kicked them right in the nethers on price.

As a general rule, they would have got that underwritten by a trade buyer, which would ring alarm bells for me because underwriters normally only back out if the thing is not as described.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go and have a look, with all bikes you look at the points that are an issue with that model. Some low mileage bikes are thrashed some high are looked after. You can only look and decide once there. There will be other bikes so be prepared to walk away, or get it and be happy.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
He has 6 bikes on autotrader. I'd say that makes him a bike dealer.


6 bikes and 39 cars. Claiming to be a Subaru main dealer in the ads and I've no reason to disbelieve that. Kinda unusual for a car main dealer to be dabbling in bikes though??? They've currently got one other ex-police bike up for sale. All bikes sold without warranty but covered by a 14 day return policy... even on a 2017 model with only 700 miles on the clock. So that's perhaps not as ominous as it would first appear, perhaps as Shaft said if car dealers generally want nothing to do with bikes maybe this dealer is just offering these up cheap but with no warranty for a quick sale. Perhaps Shaft can either confirm or correct me on this but as far as I'm aware the only way a dealer can sell a vehicle without the statutory 3 month warranty is to sell it as a 'non-runner'?

Looks like this dealer isn't specialising in bikes as such just probably getting a few in dirt cheap every now and then at prices too good to turn away and just knocking 'em out cheap but without warranty so there's virtually zero risk attached?
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