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PostPosted: 23:36 - 02 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

They can sell vehicles with no warranty if they want to, there's nothing which says dealers have to give warranties with vehicles they sell.

You're still covered by all your statutory rights.

They might be getting a few in dirt cheap every now and then at prices too good to turn away and just knocking 'em out cheap but without warranty but that doesn't mean zero risk. It's any combination of risky, naive and stupid for car dealers to also be dealing bikes.

Can you go and have a look at the bike and the service history? The dealer not knowing about bikes isn't necessarily a bad thing. Laughing

It's weird how bad the photos are and that raises questions.
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 03 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucy S wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
He has 6 bikes on autotrader. I'd say that makes him a bike dealer.


6 bikes and 39 cars. Claiming to be a Subaru main dealer in the ads and I've no reason to disbelieve that. Kinda unusual for a car main dealer to be dabbling in bikes though??? They've currently got one other ex-police bike up for sale. All bikes sold without warranty but covered by a 14 day return policy... even on a 2017 model with only 700 miles on the clock. So that's perhaps not as ominous as it would first appear, perhaps as Shaft said if car dealers generally want nothing to do with bikes maybe this dealer is just offering these up cheap but with no warranty for a quick sale. Perhaps Shaft can either confirm or correct me on this but as far as I'm aware the only way a dealer can sell a vehicle without the statutory 3 month warranty is to sell it as a 'non-runner'?

Looks like this dealer isn't specialising in bikes as such just probably getting a few in dirt cheap every now and then at prices too good to turn away and just knocking 'em out cheap but without warranty so there's virtually zero risk attached?


It could be that the local auctions that they sell off the P/Xs they can't shift there are some great deals on bikes... maybe the dealer's son is a bike nut and gets over keen sometimes.

No harm in dropping in for a cup of tea and having a chat, if they're not super-busy. See what the "story" is and it may be just that: a story. But I would hope you can make your own judgement on the veracity of their version of vehicle value and vouchsafe your velocipede voluntarily...

Errr... Shifty
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PostPosted: 07:31 - 03 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Subaru would take a dog and half a can of cider in part exchange if it helped them sell one of their cars.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 03 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
They train police riders to ride in a much lower gear than most people will cruise at. The miles will be "harder" miles than normal.


Actually that is not totally correct.

Most of the training is done on open roads using the higher gears at higher speed.

The rule of thumb of down 1 for a bend does apply, but that does not put any additional strain on the engine or gearbox

Lower gears are used in ton to maintain flexibility to accelerate or decelerate according to the conditions, and engine and gearbox consideration form part of the assessment, so if appropriate a higher gear is selected to reduce the revs.

It is probably fair to say that whilst the gearbox is not used harder than on many civillian bikes the gearbox is used more often.
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 04 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks decent enough, just go and have a look and see what you think. Chances are, like has been said they got it cheap on a part exchange to shift a car and now want it off the books.
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 05 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen some of those bikes on sale with 100k miles, that sort of mileage wouldn't bother me in the slightest providing it had been serviced regularly.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 07 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. My mum bought her Outback from there earlier this year. Seemed decent enough (for a car dealership), and had a couple of classic bikes in the showroom on display (not for sale).
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 07 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

37,000 miles in 5 years seems like very light use for a police bike.Would it have been used as an unmarked traffic bike, cruising Yorkshire's motorways to catch people speeding?

The terrible photos might give you an opportunity, because many people will be discouraged by them and suspect that the bike has suffered from salt damage etc. If it turns out that the bike is nice and shiny and the dealer has shot himself in the foot with his shitty phone camera, you might be on to a winner. So go and have a really good look at it...check the sprockets, forks, behind the panels, the works. Can you get a friendly technician to give you a list of things to look for? Maybe go to the place where you would get it serviced and ask their advice. It's good business for them if you buy the bike and become their happy customer. Go in through the back door and talk to people in the workshop before the sales guy starts giving you his patter.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 07 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
There is one advantage. All the uniform bikes come with uprated electrics and alternators because of the additional electrical load, which of course does not exist when it is decommisioned.


I'm pretty sure this is incorrect for Honda's at least although the most recent, last 1-2 decade recent bigger BMW's may have uprated alternators in the P editions, the smaller ones don't.
The only exception I know of with Honda is the early ST1100 that had its alternator replaced with the later ST1100 alternator.

The wiring on the ST1100P and ST1300P also had all the additional bits as standard in the loom.

It was possible to fit an uprated Generator winding on the NT650 Deauville which the police used but according to Honda this wasn't a Honda part so was likely never used, it was used on the Parcel Force Deauvilles.

There were various limited runs of BMW P editions which possibly had uprated generators as BMW came very late to using LEDs, these bikes also had the additional wiring as standard for the BMW approved blues and twos so again these bits wouldn't have been removed as they were standard.

The lack of uprated alternators and/or split charge systems on bikes, neither Honda or BMW would approve after market ones meant many recent bikes were fitted with Runlocks for which an exemption in law was made for emergency service vehicles iirc.

So although yes the blues and twos were removed, quite often all the wiring is intact just cut off and the alternators are still there as its a nightmare to change them and they were standard anyway at least on Hondas.
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 08 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't have much to add other then I regularly see police cars on the back of recovery trucks with zero damage to them.
This could be for many reasons but I suspect that it is due to poor maintenance as it has no doubt be outsourced to a private firm.

I highly suspect that the people who do the repairs no longer even do preventive maintenance and are just fitters who waits for something to break.

I may be wrong though as I am completely ignorant on the subject. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 09 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam277 wrote:


I highly suspect that the people who do the repairs no longer even do preventive maintenance and are just fitters who waits for something to break.

I may be wrong though as I am completely ignorant on the subject. Mr. Green


That has been the case since time began.

No vehicle was repaired on a mend and make do basis, a new part was always fitted unless a servicable part was cannabilised from a decommisioned vehicle. Some are mechanically broken.

I once went to Rover to watch my replacement patrol car being built.

The body shell went from a pioe outside straight into a dip (moss and all) before being painted.

When I took receipt of it several weeks later, the engine was marked for "Police use only" because it had a suspected defect and by the time it manifested itself, it would be out of warranty (Tok 8 weeks for the engine to grenade itself) and the rust was showing in areas within about 6 weeks.

Rover lost a lot of business, although this was just one story of hundreds as my crewmate along with colleagues from other areas had issues with the brakes.

Outsourcing has been a feature since at least the late 80's.

In my area a local BMW dealer used to service all our bikes but lost the contract because they were charging for work that was not actually done.

This dealer lost thousands in lost revenue because they chose to do a shoddy job.

Vehicles being sent to auction are transported on a transporter because having been decommisioned they are no longer insured.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a butchers today. It looks clean. Some redundant wiring under the seat leading towards the front under the fuel tank but doesn't look like anything that can't be tidied up. Bodywork is sound, no obvious cuts or holes drilled to mount lights or other equipment so yeah most probably a covert/surveillance bike... still has me puzzled though it must have had blues and twos fitted SOMEWHERE but I can't see any obvious evidence of WHERE there were previously. Which I guess is a good thing as they must have been placed in a manor that made no lasting damage to the bike, that I can tell anyway.

Bike went straight to BCA Peterborough from West Yorkshire Police and this trader got it from BCA. Wouldn't let me test drive it but offered a no quibble 14 day returns policy so long as it's returned in same condition. Starts up and revs up sweet, I simulated changing through the gears and met the biting point in each gear with engine running, all seems fine. Fingers crossed!

It's got a taller screen, crash bungs, heated grips and a scottoiler fitted which are all nice extras.

Knocked him down to £3,500 which considering there's two other bikes on there a year older than this one (albeit with less mileage) and priced at £5300 and £6000 I think I've got a good deal...

£500 deposit, pick it up next month, so excited gonna pee my pants but like my pants I bet the weather will be pants and pissing it down :-/

Roll on summer!!!
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one. Thumbs Up I hope it's everything you want it to be.
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