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PostPosted: 15:50 - 13 Oct 2019    Post subject: Aprilia RS50 2004 Oil in Coolant and White smoke Reply with quote

Hi,
I recently bought an Aprilia RS50 2004. It was working fine, I performed a coolant change as the engine was getting a little hot. There was oil in the coolant. I bought Evan's Waterless coolant and all of a sudden there was white smoke coming from the exhaust. I took the bike to a shop, one of the O ring's burst. I changed the all the gaskets and O rings on the top end. But still, white smoke was coming out. They said it was water/coolant in the exhaust, they said they would drain it or get rid of it somehow. I picked the bike up later that day and still white smoke was coming but now only under acceleration. After 2 minutes the bike just stopped dead. It did not want to crank then after a few tries it cranked but did not start. The bike got trailered to the shop.
Any Ideas of what it could be?
I am planning on changing the water pump seal. but as it why it stopped dead, I don't know.
Any Advice would be appreciated.
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 13 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a two stroke the only oil that can get into the coolant is the gearbox oil, which means you probably need a new crank seal.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 13 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

cylinder head gasket gasket I would suspect.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 13 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tankie wrote:
cylinder head gasket gasket I would suspect.


Ok... interesting answer considering what I wrote above.

How does oil get into the water when there is no engine oil in a two stroke? It's injected in with the fuel system.

So, perhaps read a bit first before hitting the post reply button.
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 13 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The two stroke oil from the cylinder is going though the head joint into the water jacket.
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 13 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tankie wrote:
The two stroke oil from the cylinder is going though the head joint into the water jacket.


There's fuck all 2 stroke oil in the cylinder even when running.
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 13 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

White smoke will likely be a cracked head, assuming you've not torqued the new gaskets in properly.

The oil is likely to be crank seals as mentioned.

The cracked head would also explain why you found oil in the coolant.

I had a GFR with the same problem. The white smoke was particularly thick under hard acceleration.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 13 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The smoke only started a few days ago, the oil was in the coolant for maybe a month or more I suspect but it didn't smoke at all.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 13 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
On a two stroke the only oil that can get into the coolant is the gearbox oil, which means you probably need a new crank seal.

Could it have came through the waterpump seal?
I am not too sure if the RS50 and 125 have similar component but I found similar to mine.
https://www.125ccsportsbikes.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=102218
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PostPosted: 08:06 - 14 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tankie wrote:
The two stroke oil from the cylinder is going though the head joint into the water jacket.


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PostPosted: 17:02 - 14 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
On a two stroke the only oil that can get into the coolant is the gearbox oil, which means you probably need a new crank seal.


Unless it's a 2 stroke Diesel...

https://apriliars50diesel.blogspot.com/
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 14 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
GSTEEL32 wrote:


The cracked head would also explain why you found oil in the coolant.


Another who doesn't understand 2 stroke engines...


Blah blah blah ...... if I know nothing, why didn't you quote my entire post?
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 14 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

GSTEEL32 wrote:
Blah blah blah ...... if I know nothing, why didn't you quote my entire post?


I assume in case you delete it to avoid getting egg on your face?

The workshop group is quite special on this forum, and does have a positive effect on ones karma. However, it often goes through periods where only n00bs post who actually don't know that much about bikes and are either massive Dunning Krueger complex sufferers, or want to boost their karma score. So, it's well worth people pointing out when something is incorrect.

The forum being swamped with bad info means people with genuine info are less likely to post, which means the bad info is not diluted, which means lurkers, searchers and members act upon that bad info, and end up losing time, money and riding enjoyment.

So, I reiterate to anyone reading this. Please try to be sure of the information you're posting before you post it. And be prepared to be corrected, even if it's done in a flippant way.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 14 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did say my "entire" post, rather than that particlar bit.

I'm happy to get called out on anything I post, but I feel it's a bit strong if someone takes part of it, summarily dismisses the whole lot and leaves it at that.

If we're now picking and choosing parts of a post, then generalising on the basis of that, its not exactly helping anyone, is it?
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PostPosted: 02:32 - 15 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm.... Italian bike, white smoke Thinking

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PostPosted: 09:46 - 15 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Tankie wrote:
cylinder head gasket gasket I would suspect.


Nonsense. It's a 2 stroke, the gearbox is sealed from the engine.

Coolant in the gearbox oil can be water pump drive seal if you're lucky or oil side crank seal if you're not.

It's two stroke oil +coolant , the only place these two fluids can crossover is the cyl head gasket or cylinder head ,read the OP's original thread ,over heated, white smoke, oil in coolant.
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 15 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never known a 2T do the white smoke thing when a head gasket fails. They usually just start bubbling the contents of the expansion bottle when revved (and obviously start using water).

But what do i know, i've only had 2T bikes on and off for over 25 years and spannered race bikes for the last 3. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 15 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tankie wrote:
It's two stroke oil +coolant , the only place these two fluids can crossover is the cyl head gasket or cylinder head ,read the OP's original thread ,over heated, white smoke, oil in coolant.


Nope, it's going to be gearbox oil. It's either the water pump seal or a crank seal.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 15 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Tankie wrote:
It's two stroke oil +coolant , the only place these two fluids can crossover is the cyl head gasket or cylinder head ,read the OP's original thread ,over heated, white smoke, oil in coolant.


Nope, it's going to be gearbox oil. It's either the water pump seal or a crank seal.

It's burning it, so i feel your not quite right ! A crank seal would not put oil into the coolant.
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 15 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tankie wrote:
It's burning it, so i feel your not quite right ! A crank seal would not put oil into the coolant.


It could if it's the water pump side.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 15 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tankie wrote:

It's two stroke oil +coolant , the only place these two fluids can crossover is the cyl head gasket or cylinder head ,read the OP's original thread ,over heated, white smoke, oil in coolant.


So, how much oil is being circulated round in the head of a 2 stroke?
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