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Brexit is the will of the people 17.4m voted for:
17.4m voted for Johnson's glorious deal. Seriously
14%
 14%  [ 3 ]
17.4m voted for Farage WTO.
66%
 66%  [ 14 ]
17.4m voted for EFTA
19%
 19%  [ 4 ]
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Riejufixing
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a very bent poll. The Electoral Commission would laugh at it then throw it out. Am I going to be stupid enough to vote for a fraudulent poll & originator? Nope.

Go back to the original question we were asked, and which we answered. Re-do it here, if you like.

Edit: In fact, you could make your poll into a proper one by removing your twist. Change it to:

The UK is leaving the EU. Do you support leaving with:

1. Boris Johnson's deal
2. WTO rules
3. An EFTA style arrangement.

The wording of the last is because it is not certain that EFTA would acccept us as a member, since our economy differs largely from their members'. Pun intended.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

You missed the "17.4m voted for laughs" option.
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

They voted for all of the above and for the continued membership, as the benefits of everything at once were promised by the Leave ringleaders.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a reason Labour wont go for a straight EFTA/EEA brexit

They know it's probably got a majority over remain, and thus, if they ever put it in a referendum, remain would lose

Everything they do is calculated.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

99 Brexit Polls on the wall, 99 Brexit Polls... take one down Val will come around, 100 Brexit Polls on the wall...
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is a second referendum called a 'People's vote' ?

Who voted in the first one, if not 'People' ? Was it potatoes?
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
Why is a second referendum called a 'People's vote' ?

Who voted in the first one, if not 'People' ? Was it potatoes?


A referendum is a "peoples" vote as opposed to when MPs vote.

Shows how s#ite a PR man Cameron was that he missed out on calling the first referendum a peoples vote.
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

If labour have a refferendum. It will be between a shit deal and remainbecause they want to remain, except Jeremy who really wants to leave but won't admit to it.

I voted to leave and expected us to do so within a couple of weeks of the vote. Hard Brexit then negotiate a trade deal with the EU. The only way to negotiate a favourable trade deal is from outside the EU. The EU negotiating standpoint is they want us to remain.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally would like to leave with a deal, and at least try for one. But if its not possible or if people just try to play silly games then just make them choke on a "no deal" Brexit and make them regret not showing due respect to leave voters.

I think most leave voters and the mandate are for one of the two:
a. Try for a deal, but no deal if it can't be done
b. No negotiation, leave no deal

Strictly speaking in terms of the result (on paper) there is absolutely no mandate for any negotiation. The "negotiations" side was the remain side. Strictly speaking people voted for a total clean break.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
Why is a second referendum called a 'People's vote' ?

Who voted in the first one, if not 'People' ? Was it potatoes?


Giving preferential access to BAME people to schemes and jobs is called "equality".
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
Why is a second referendum called a 'People's vote' ?

Who voted in the first one, if not 'People' ? Was it potatoes?


It makes it sound like they have a respect for democracy despite arrogantly wishing to reject the 2016 referendum. Three years of a now silenced majority being told they were stupid, ignorant, racist, ill-informed, hateful children and then being dared to say it again.
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:


Strictly speaking in terms of the result (on paper) there is absolutely no mandate for any negotiation. The "negotiations" side was the remain side. Strictly speaking people voted for a total clean break.


This is a good point. The original mandate they were elected on (with a majority) was attempt to negotiate a better deal and they would recommend a remain vote. He went to Europe and came back with nothing.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Im-a-Ridah wrote:


Strictly speaking in terms of the result (on paper) there is absolutely no mandate for any negotiation. The "negotiations" side was the remain side. Strictly speaking people voted for a total clean break.


This is a good point. The original mandate they were elected on (with a majority) was attempt to negotiate a better deal and they would recommend a remain vote. He went to Europe and came back with nothing.

And we're still urged by Remainers to stay and work towards a reformed Europe when the EU clearly isn't interested in that.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

This whole idea of a people's vote on the divorce deal is bollocks

Say leave won and we then go on to negotiate an FTA , you bet your bottom dollah the remain side will want a referendum on the sort of FTA we get v remain, it never ends
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 21 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

In terms of the referendum it just said "leave the European union". This is quite a clear mandate and ambiguity is easily addressed.

Britain should leave the [insert name of any European institution]

Repeat this process for any European institution people are unclear about.

It's not my personal position, but the referendum itself was crystal clear. Personally I think they wanted to talk up a clean break to increase the remain vote but they misunderstood public sentiment and mistook it for their own. Anyway, they stacked the odds, then leave won the jackpot.

Rob Fzs wrote:
This whole idea of a people's vote on the divorce deal is bollocks

Say leave won and we then go on to negotiate an FTA , you bet your bottom dollah the remain side will want a referendum on the sort of FTA we get v remain, it never ends


It will only end when the ~10% or so remainers who hold powerful and important positions in society learn to respect ordinary working class people. It's not even Brexit that's the problem, its that they can't bring themselves to accept a decision taken by people they see as almost inferior.
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 22 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
In terms of the referendum it just said "leave the European union". This is quite a clear mandate and ambiguity is easily addressed.


Precisely, but your conclusions are wrong.

People voted narrowly to leave the EU.

They did not vote to leave EEA. It wasn't on the ballot.

They did not vote to leave the customs union. It wasn't on the ballot.

And so on. Everything that the referendum gave the mandate for is Norway/Switzerland-like option; everything above that is a power grab.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 22 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Logical paradox

Ste = Overrated
Roman Numeral Man = Underrated

Who's right??
Surprised
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 22 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
Logical paradox

Imagine Driving Your Car For Years, Then Someone In England Comes Along With An Electric Wiper

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PostPosted: 14:15 - 23 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think of the consequences if there WAS a more stringent customs check at our border with the EU...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50150070
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 23 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Think of the consequences

Of posting a NSFW or adult image in a thread which isn't already explicitly marked with a :notworksafe: tag?

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=4666953#4666953
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 23 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
Think of the consequences

Of posting a NSFW or adult image in a thread which isn't already explicitly marked with a :notworksafe: tag?

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=4666953#4666953


Why does he have a mushroom in place of his nose?
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 23 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

There should be another option in this poll:

"Bannage for posting NSFW image"
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 23 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what a Euro-cock looks like after it's gained approval from the other 27 member states.

Since it's barely recognizable as the thing it was originally intended to be and utterly unfit for purpose...
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