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| Sister Sledge wrote: | Where is Farage and his party in all of this? Will he be putting people forward or is it too late to get them together?
I think Boris will win over Corbyn. |
They’ve actually got 630 candidates, so will be fighting most seats.
You wouldn’t know this though because the pro Remain media refuse to give them any coverage.
Just noticed tonight that the pro Brexit demo in London today has been wiped completely from Facebook. Searching for the group brings back anti Brexit groups and the Labour Party page.
Is this legal? Can Nick Clegg block content just because he doesn’t agree with it politically? I know it’s a private platform, but it’s seen as a monopoly, just as Twitter is. It’s got to the stage where social media is deciding the political direction of a country by banning the side it doesn’t approve of, to push its own, left wing ideology.
That power needs seriously looking into by the government.
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Ah, the BBC. There's your mistake.
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| chickenstrip wrote: |
Ah, the BBC. There's your mistake. |
Well, if the MSM "refuse to give them any coverage,"  we'll just have to believe mpd72's reports. |
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| Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: |
Ah, the BBC. There's your mistake. |
Well, if the MSM "refuse to give them any coverage," we'll just have to believe mpd72's reports. |
You can always go to LBC, 6pm weekdays, on Youtube also. Or here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLNgS-wbHodu_lsh1k8DzBQ/videos
Get it from the horse's mouth.
Considering if it wasn't for Farage, we wouldn't even have had a referendum in 2016, don't you think MSM is strangely reticent about him? Unless they smell an opportunity to attack him.
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| Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | People are getting a bit precious about TBP. All I'm saying is they're a single-issue group fair enough, so they'd be daft if they're not considering how best to avoid splitting the vote and letting Labour in. |
I see their problem as one of principle. The Brexit Party represents those who want us to leave with no deal. The Tories it appears now represent those who want a deal. The Brexit Party claim that the majority of those who voted in the referendum did so in the full and clear understanding that they were voting for an exit without a deal, so can't help the Tories back into power because that would be selling the electorate out.
Unless the Brexit Party concedes that some who voted to leave actually want to do so with a deal, then I cannot see how the two can work together. Conceding this however will explode the myth that all who voted to leave knew exactly what they were voting for, so it is a Catch 22 situation for Nigel as he tries to work out what to do.
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Well, if the MSM "refuse to give them any coverage," we'll just have to believe mpd72's reports. |
Oh yeah, Al Beeb will give them negative coverage. Kind of like when they invite one Brexit MP onto QT, so the remain loaded audience and panel can shout at them.
How many on here knew TBP had over 630 candidates ready?
In half an hour, you can hear the real story from the party here, instead of the propaganda currently being spread by all the media outlets.
from 10.30AM online...
https://www.thebrexitparty.org/events/
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I will be voting conservative because only a conservative majority presents any realistic prospect of us ACTUALLY leaving the EU. |
Here lies the problem with that myth...
| stinkwheel wrote: | The BJ deal is only a transitional arrangement anyway. . |
The BJ "deal" is the same EU scripted stitch up which they got May to pedal as her own. If anything, it's even worse other than the backstop, with clauses about us not being allowed to negotiate better deals than the EU already have with RoW countries. (The "level playing field" clause, the EU added when the backstop got removed).
It is not leaving the EU in any way, shape or form, which most people are already aware of, but are forgiving thinking it's only temporary.
It's not. The EU, if they choose not to agree a future relationship with us, can still tie us in as a vassal state cash cow, under their control for as long as they see fit and with no say in matters, including how much we must pay them. It's the second worst deal in history and the EU are hoping we're so fed up with the heel dragging, that we'll blindly walk into it.
People really need to wake up to the propaganda over this deal and Boris's idea of "leave".
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You've got to laugh at Al Beeb's step by step attempt to pull apart everything Farage said, backing it up with their own biased opinions and "studies".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-50259647
You can almost feel the frothing at the mouth from the journalists.
Christ on a stick, even Teflon Tony thinks Farage is right in his analysis of Boris's thrice polished turd.
| Quote: | “Bizarrely, though I profoundly disagree with him on whether Brexit is a good idea Nigel Farage has produced one of the better analyses of what the problem is with Boris Johnson’s deal.
“The problem, in the end, is if you really want to diverge on tax, regulation and go your own way on issues to deal with trade, if you really want that.
“The only way you are really going to get that is actually by doing no deal.
“Because if you do a deal with Europe they are going to bolt you down as we have just seen in relation to Northern Ireland.” |
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The BJ "deal" is the same EU scripted stitch up which they got May to pedal as her own. If anything, it's even worse other than the backstop, with clauses about us not being allowed to negotiate better deals than the EU already have with RoW countries. (The "level playing field" clause, the EU added when the backstop got removed).
It is not leaving the EU in any way, shape or form, which most people are already aware of, but are forgiving thinking it's only temporary.
It's not. The EU, if they choose not to agree a future relationship with us, can still tie us in as a vassal state cash cow, under their control for as long as they see fit and with no say in matters, including how much we must pay them. It's the second worst deal in history and the EU are hoping we're so fed up with the heel dragging, that we'll blindly walk into it.
People really need to wake up to the propaganda over this deal and Boris's idea of "leave". |
I was under the impression that the withdrawal deal would last until December 2020? And that the Irish backstop was the sticking point because it would have tied us into EU regulations if another deal couldn't be reached, something which has now effectively been removed for Great Britain.
The relationship beyond that date is subject to further negotiation.
Am I wrong there? How?
In any case, The only way we're coming out is with a conservative majority. Brexit party will only split the Brexit vote in that respect. They don't have a realistic chance of winning any/any significant number of seats. The best they can hope for in terms of coming out of the EU is to split the red vote and hope they can do a deal on influence in a majority tory government in return for not standing against them.
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I was under the impression that the withdrawal deal would last until December 2020?
Am I wrong there? How? |
It's extendable for as long as the EU see fit. After next December, even though we've paid £39BN, they can carry on charging us as a vassal state. Even Blair admits Farage's assessment of Boris's Thrice reheated turd is spot on.
Read it..
https://www.thebrexitparty.org/read-this/
| stinkwheel wrote: | In any case, The only way we're coming out is with a conservative majority. |
I disagree. Boris's thrice polished turd is not coming out.
| stinkwheel wrote: | Brexit party will only split the Brexit vote in that respect. They don't have a realistic chance of winning any/any significant number of seats. The best they can hope for in terms of coming out of the EU is to split the red vote and hope they can do a deal on influence in a majority tory government in return for not standing against them. |
Let's see. The same was said about the European parliament elections. When leave voters wake up to Boris's turd of a deal, they'll start realising that the only way we'll leave properly is by getting as many TBP MP's into parliament to have the vote infleunce over Labour, Lib Dem etc. The Tories can't carry this on their own.
Farage is offering pacts which include binning the thrice polished turd and aiming for FTA on July 1st. The Tories and TBP would easily have enough parliamentary majority to do this. Boris's own stubbornness is the only obstacle, once the EU realise their withdrawal stitch up is off the table.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTIgsR4FFBU
If you don't watch it, don't then complain you don't know what the Brexit Party are about.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTIgsR4FFBU
If you don't watch it, don't then complain you don't know what the Brexit Party are about. |
All common sense, sensible stuff there and puts a stop on all this single issue party bollocks.
There was not one thing there which I didn’t agree with.
One of the most over looked things is, instead of wasting billions to reduce CO2, crippling our industry against foreign cheating nations, just plant a load of effing trees to consume it. Hardly rocket science.
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The striking thing for me, which I agree wholeheartedly with, is that the Boris treaty IS NOT BREXIT. So there will be no splitting of the Brexit vote. If you vote for the treaty, you will have renounced Brexit. The EU have made it quite clear they don't want to lose us. This, and the rhetoric they spout should be enough to tell you what things will be like under that treaty. They will be firmly in control of all future 'negotiations'.
Further, we have seen the incompetence and dishonesty of the main parties. With that as the background, I'm willing to give TBP my backing. They'd have to be incredibly, astoundingly, unimaginably useless to do any worse. The risks of not supporting them are far, far worse in my estimation.
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