Labour and Antisemitism

[Easy-X]

Given we're soon to have a General Election I'm sure this will crop up again in the media soon.

I continue to be confused about this Antisemitism thing...

Is it the case that Corbyn hates Jews because he backs the Palestinians or the other way round: because he backs the Palestinians he incidentally hates Jews?

And why back the Palestinians anyway? Is it in the Great British Tradition of backing a losing side? "No I don't follow England in the World Cup but I do keep up with what's going on in the Gaza Strip!"

Or is it just a default position you fall into from chasing the Muslim vote?

"But we need to return Palestine to its people!" is not an answer. It was not the Palestinians' land in the first place, it was ours i.e. the British Empire...

[Ste]

[Im-a-Ridah]

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Palestinians have dark skin, Jews are a lot whiter.

That’s all a lefty needs when they apply Virtue Signalling Top Trumps.

If Hitler was black, Corbyn and chums would think of him as a freedom fighter.
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[SpeedyCBR1100]

Corbin and his ilk support the Arabs, and the Palestinians in particular because it is a left wing trait to support the underdog, The Arab nations have lost every major war with Israel and are therefore underdogs, notwithstanding that they outnumber the population of Israel by 423 million to 7.9 million.

[Diggs]

[Lord Percy]

For the many, not the Jew?

I generally agree, the antisemitism thing has baffled me from the start. Seems to be a very long running and desperate attempt to keep throwing shit until it sticks.

There are a few who've stepped down from Labour with claims of "it's because I'm Jewish", which sounds a lot like the typical "it's cos I'm black" claim that certain folk on this forum tend to complain about.

I suspect anyone who felt ostracised in the Labour party, while happening to be Jewish, was more likely disliked by Corbyn because he just doesn't like rich or titled people. And all the Jews who stepped down seemed to be rich, with titles.

[Im-a-Ridah]

[Lord Percy]

Yep tons of excuses.

If tbf it's pretty much the reality then where's the hard evidence? All I have ever seen is wild finger pointing and hysterical articles from right wing rags and diehard pro Israel publications. Surprise surprise.

[pinkyfloyd]

I always thought it was because the media is controlled by right wing rich cunts who feed us bullshit to vote for their right wing rich friends to stop the left wing socialists from spreading wealth more evenly with tax crack downs.

But what do I know.?
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[stinkwheel]

Stuff gets hopelessly conflated because Israel is a Jewish state so most Israelies are Jewish. Criticising Israel is then de-facto criticising Jews.

It appears you can't be anti Israeli policy without being accused of being anti-semetic and it's a fact that Israel does NOT play nicely with their neighbours (both currently and in ancient history).

The trouble is each nation (both the people and the government) in the area is made up of religious fundamentalists. Having the BELIEF that what you are doing is absolutely right, ordained by God and that the other person is fundamentally wrong does not make for easy political relationships.

Both sides of the religious divide will happily play the race card at every opportunity to stifle contrary opinion.
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[Sister Sledge]

Labour back a lot of obscure and extreme stuff. Lots of it outside the UK. Could be Palestine, could be free this extreme political bloke from his own coutrys prison in Afghanistan. Whatever they do and wherever they go, sooner or later they will trod on something politically incorrect.

With what you're asking, there appears to be a few powerful shouty people (Blair likely encouraging them..) who winge constantly and get attention.
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It seems very self-defeating: railing against arguably the most "Western-looking" of the middle eastern countries to court some votes in this country.

If the currency of success in Westminster is how many seats you have it seems strange to chase down minority votes at the expanse of alienating the majority.

A simple example: the Lib-Dems have recently come out with two block-busters - old people are fucking gits for voting for Leave and, if elected, they would do their best to cancel Brexit.

Cornwall used to be a Lib-Dem stronghold until recently. But Cornwall voted something like 56% Leave and is also a place people go to retire.

Now is the word I'm looking for "correlation" or "stupidity"
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I try to talk about things I actually know about... how am I doing so far, chaps?
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[bhinso]

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[Skudd]

Why does everyone hate the Jews, all through history the Jews are hated. Is this because they like being the victim and so orchestrate so that they are, or are there other fundamental reasons?
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[Skudd]

[Easy-X]

With regards to religious practice and misogyny the Jews and Muslims are pretty similar. I mean: you can't trust someone who'd turn down a good bacon sandwich on a Sunday morning!
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