Capturing a Unicorn

[Poseidon]

There's a bike. A bike I fell in love with. A bike unlike any other I've seen.

Long story short... It's not in this country. I know the owner and he wants rid. It's mine for free. However, I need to import it from a European country.

The issues:

It has foreign plates as it was registered there, but there's no paperwork for it as the current owner never applied for it. I know that might sound dodgy, but it isn't.

Whilst it is 18years old, it has 3000km on the clocks, which looks like it's liable for VAT etc. But I won't be paying any money for it, so is there no VAT?



What I need to know:

The process for getting it registered in the UK without any paperwork and what it'll cost (the physical movement of the bike is already sorted). I tried going through GOVuk, but lost the will to live somewhere around partial mSVA. Are there any bureaucratic types out there able to assist and give me a step by step process to follow?

Much obliged

Poseidon

Update: resto thread... https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=330994
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1977 Honda CG125
2002 Ducati Monster S4 (currently restoring)

[Polarbear]

I have no idea, sorry. But please stick up a photo of the bike so us nosy bastards can sate our curiosity!
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[stinkwheel]

Half a story.

You never mentioned what the bike is. You never mentioned where it's coming from or if it was already registered there.

Might be relevant if it has UK/EU type approval. And for duty reasons if it's outside the EU.

You need to tell HMRC in any case otherwise you wont have the correct paperwork. They'll tell you how much money they want off you. Probably no point arguing with them in my experience.

A full MSVA is only £85, might be the cheapest way? (actually cheaper than doing the approval process) It would give you a Q-plate but aren't you looking at that anyway? Can you prove how old it is?

A full MSVA pays for itself because you don't need an MOT for the first three years.

Another thought is to bring it into the UK on the QT then claim it's a vehicle you've radically altered and just bung it through the MSVA as if it was a one-off for a Q-plate.
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“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[Poseidon]

Yeah, apologies for being so cryptic, but for reasons I cannot disclose just yet, I'm reluctant to divulge too much.

It's a rare example of a relatively common bike manufactured in the EU. It's coming in from a country within the EU where it is and always was registered. Ideally I want an age related plate on it rather than a Q-plate.

I'm fact finding at the moment, it'll need some work, so I've been working out the cost of parts etc, and also (unsuccessfully) working out the process of importing a vehicle without the accompanying paperwork
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1977 Honda CG125
2002 Ducati Monster S4 (currently restoring)

[Poseidon]

[Polarbear]

It's probably not the best advice but if it's in Europe I'd hire/borrow a van. Drive over and bring it back. Make sure you have receipts for buying it. If stopped, tell them it's a spur of the moment thing and you are going to do it up and re register it to here.

I doubt the Customs people will be that interested in a bike unless you pack the van out with illegal immigrants to finance the trip.
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[stinkwheel]

If you want an age related plate, you're going to need to be able to prove how old it is.
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“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[Poseidon]

Cheers Polarbear. After much digging, I've found the process of how the current owner can get the relevant paperwork, which means it should come over with a logbook... Man, if you think the DVLA are a funny bunch, try getting an answer from the Irish NVDF (oops, is that a clue?).

Anyways. Assuming the logbook will be present, it'll still need importing. Given the low mileage (did I read that VAT has to be paid if it has less than 6000km on the clock?) Is VAT at market value of the vehicle or what I paid? (Theres no way I'll be able to get the original sales receipt with proof of vat being paid on there)
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1977 Honda CG125
2002 Ducati Monster S4 (currently restoring)

[Polarbear]

[garth]

Should be ok if you can get a dating cert from the manufacturer.
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You ain't a has been if you never was

[Poseidon]

I'm 90% certain I can get the logbook sorted. It'll take some fucking around, but less so than bringing it over without one.

This concerns me though...

[Freddyfruitba...]

[TaffyTDM]

Rode the tdm back from germany when it was gifted to me by x-father in law, then put it on english plates. Quite simple. Have a search for my old posts, i explained it all somewhere before

[Robby]

If it's a fairly common bike, can you buy some clocks with more miles on?

[Poseidon]

[Kaya75]

I don't understand the vat tho, surly vat was paid when the bike was purchased originally, if it was brought from a dealer vat would be included, and you didn't pay anything so it's technically a gift. No vat (??)

Either way Won't VAT be book price? Not market value. Book price is probably much much lower.

Good luck with it all anyway
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ybr125 Sold, GSF600 K1 Bandit (For Sale), FJR13000 gen2.

[TaffyTDM]

[Ste]

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

[Easy-X]

You said it was 18 years old, I don't think the mileage comes into it. It's not new, it's not unregistered, it's used...

Step 1: get whatever the [Irish] equivalent of a V5 is your name.
Step 2: hire a van and pick it up
Step 3: fill in the "used vehicle import pack" from the DVLA
Step 4: pay road tax
Step 5: enjoy!
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Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter

[Ste]

[TaffyTDM]

[stinkwheel]

How long would it take to stick 1000km on it with an electric drill?

Reverse clocking.
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“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[Poseidon]

[WD Forte]

What if you went over in a van ,dismantled it and said you were bringing in a load of old bike spares?
you could sort the paperwork later.
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