125cc restriction

[2strokebloke]

So upon reading the latest spate of replies and talking to a ktm dealer I have concluded that this would probably not be any good for me , I have also just got a much more reasonable quote for an rs125 , an Dan despite being more expensive, they’re so much cheaper to buy than a ktm and to run , I can justify the expense , equally I have just talked to my dad and he wasn’t exactly happy with the idea ,

The ktm dealer told me that even though I most likely wouldn’t get caught the exc is about the worst bike I can possibly ride on the road and advised me to wait until I’m 19 and get w registered 200 or 250 on a a2.

So , What are the rs125 like to ride , I’ve never heard anything bad about the chassis , will they be reliable enough for around 4-6000 miles a year and how do they go restricted vs derestricted also what model years would you go for , been reading that the pre 02 models were the Best But that might be bollocks. How much faster than a yzfr 125 will they be .

Thank you for making me reconsider my choice as even though the legality doesn’t worry me overly , the sheer cost of running a ktm does as well as the dealers advice

[stevo as b4]

I'd love to know the rationale for a guy who was seriously considering buying a KTM 125exc/sx to even give an Aprilia RS 125 a second thought or the time of day.

Isn't it like saying you wanted a modified Land rover defender, but you've let a dealer talk you out of it so now your going to buy a Fiesta ST?

If I was interested in bikes like KTM exc's or similar, then a road going 125 sports bike would be useless to me and the last thing in the world I'd consider. Like wise if I was a one piece race suit kitted rider who lived and died for the apex, then a harsh, tall knobbly tyred KTM with silly short gearing would be no acceptable substitute for a sports bike.

If you can't insure the KTM and you think it's not a good idea, then how about looking at other trail and enduro bikes? Have you tried to get a quote on say a Yamaha WR125R or a Rieju 125, or even say a Honda XLR 125?

If riding off road or having a tall trail bike with knobbly tyres was important to me, then no Aprilia RS would ever cut it tbh!

[Ste]

[2strokebloke]

[ThatDippyTwat]

Until you're 19, it's either cheap (YBR, CG), Chinese (Lexmoto, Sinnis), Korean (Hyosung, Daelim) Premium (RS4, YZF-R, GSXR, MT, CBR) or expensive to run/maintain and probably of dubious legality (Most things 2T).

With 2T stuff that had restricted UK models available, you have a decent chance doing the "first 125 guv", "it still tops out at 70" routine and actually getting away with it. Don't ride like a spacktard, and you'll *probably* be fine. Your call though, being banned is distinctly not fun. Any RS that's not been ragged more than a crackwhore needing a fix will be £2K+ and if you can afford a Mito Evo (94+) that isn't just as fecked.... enjoy, unless you're over 5' 6".

The problem you have is that a lot of blokes my age grew up with 2 strokes as kids, and some of them want to re-live those years - makes suff expensive. Some of us never stopped enjoying them, they make it expensive for us too. If you want to get a better route into 2T, bite the bullet, get a 4T until you do your A2, then get an unrestricted 2T. There's not a lot out there that's affordable that even needs to be restricted to A2 (47BHP).
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[2strokebloke]

Cheers @thatdippytwat I won’t have a mito then as I’m 6”0 so would be very uncomfortable, I also got a quote last night for my 50 that was £180 per year fully comp , so will be keeping that as a backup/ wet bike or commute tool and get another bike as a fun bike and occasional commute in the warm and dry.

Also I’ve been wondering how a 16bhp (still illegal) bike is better than a 200bhp bike or is it the same , anyway the Comparisons aside , I’ve read that it’s actually incredibly rare to get a ban for riding a overpowered 125 on a cbt , the police tend to give young guys like me a “section 59” which is 3 points, and the bikes not taken , even if the book is thrown at you (apparently reserved for those arseholes doing 90+ or under the influence) the bikes impounded not crushed , and you have to pay £165 to get it back .

Anyway the what’s the rs like in restricted vs derestricted form

[stevo as b4]

Forget all this ''what is a restricted Aprilia like'' business as you have already said you don't want one. You want an old expensive full power or competition non learner legal bike period, that's never going to have a hint of being legal to ride on an A1 licence.

I'm still baffled by how an enduro bike guy likes sports bikes, it's an either or for me, but never both. The only advantage of the Aprilia I see is that they were one of the last made 125cc two stroke bikes, so there's a chance tho still slim that there's some decent condition 2010-2012 models out there that can be ridden and maintained, not just restoration fodder.

The 94 Cagiva that dippy twat mentioned will be no good to you nor any similar age DT or any other bike really. Two stroke 125's that are 25years old are only good for pulling to bits and restoring at great time and expense, and that's only if you can get the parts for a 25yr old Italian that's been thrashed and abused to death.

Those restricted late model Aprilia's you asked about are supposed to be quite nasty to ride, as they had to meet euro 3, and as such were stuffed with catalytic converters, electronics, tamper proof carbs with ECU controlled fuel and ignition. They do meet Euro 3, but at huge cost to drivability. And they even if and when they are de-restricted which is much harder and more involved, they de-tuned the motor to get it to be clean enough, and knocked anywhere up to 6-8bhp off the peak power off the fittest of the early 90's more superior models and also the fittest of the rare unicorn SP versions, which are the valuable models now.

Anyway a restricted two stroke is no good to you, as didn't you say you only get out of bed for the power band and it's only worth riding a two stroke if you can keep it constantly on the pipe everywhere you go, and you want to re-build the engine every 1500miles or so.

It sounds to me like you don't really want a bike or need it like most skint college kids as an A-B necessary tool for transport. What you want is a drug fuelled high by the sounds of it.

If all your mates that get around OK and go places, work, study, social events on their Lexmoto's etc arnt gonna cut it for you, and it's too boring to bother with then don't.

You have other options. You could get a nice new car instead and that's 1'000,000% a better and more superior transport option to a Lexmoto or any other 125 or bike period.

Or you could walk away and wait until age 19 to get an A2 bike. These could all be seen as very boring and linear tho if you look at them that way, despite 47bhp and 115mph stats. Part of me thinks you'll be that guy who comes back then and says '' but I don't want any of them boring A2 bikes, I want to try and ride a 60bhp 14000rpm 400 on my A2 license instead'' Or the guy that tries to argue that a GSXR600 or R6 is restrictable to A2 spec, but only wants endorsement from BCF that it is, and he's right, while saying at the same time he fully intends not to ride it even 100yards in restricted spec anyway. That guy has been here before several times, usually until they get bored of not hearing the answer they want and not getting unequivocal BCF approval for their plan.

As for the idea of waiting to buy a bigger two stroke sports bike like Dippytwat said, well you'd have to have a full licence and be 21 to get one. Secondly guys my age can't afford decent 250-500cc two stroke 80's and 90's bikes, they have been pushed up to museum money by collectors. What chance guys your age have got of affording them? Two stroke 125's are slowly going full dinosaur status too, and prices are rising into the £2000-3000 range for 20-30year old rare bikes that are only 124cc or under anyway.

[2strokebloke]

[Teflon-Mike]

[ThatDippyTwat]

Mike, you spunktrumpet, he said quite clearly it's a toy. Stop being a clipboard holding examiner wannabee all your fucking life. Kid wants to ride a full bore 2T, then he's going to . we've talked him out of the batshit insane option at least,. Screaming at him through your spergy typing will achieve - fuck all. So stop it.
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[2strokebloke]

Looked into towing a few months back for a boat , as I haven’t been on the road for 3 years yet , I’d have to declare it on my insurance + modified towbar (as any shitbox I can hope to insure doesn’t come with one) towings out the window , I mean I know I ask stupid questions but if I haven’t overlooked minute detailed of my “master plan” then do you really think idve overlooked a tow hook

[Ste]

No matter how long you have or haven't been on the road you're meant to declare modifications.

An EXC 125 weighs less than 100kg dry so even an under powered shitbox would be happy enough towing one.

Do we really think you'd overlook a minute detail of your master plan? No idea but loads of people do overlook possibly solutions or wrongly make assumptions about what they are or aren't allowed to drive / tow.

This is all theoretical though as you're not wanting to have to load it on a trailer every time you want to go and play on it.

[Teflon-Mike]

I use/d a Kliponboff bike rack. bolts to the tow-bar like a ball, and the bike straps to that, across the bumper. No trailer or trailer laws need apply. Takes a bike up to I think 175Kg or the tow-bar weight limit.

Meanwhile I have carted the cota about, whith the wheels stripped off, in the 'laugh' 'boot, I have bigger shoe-boxes I think, of my first ;'proper' car, a Citreon LNA which is like a Saxo. only with the back lopped off! Formerly I had a Morris-Minor pick-up truck, and bike went in the load bed.

In a similar vein, a mate at college, got a Bedford 'Rascal' sooty van, as his 'first car' pertinently to you, because as a commercial vehicle with, I think only an 850cc engine, the insurance on it was LAUGHABLY low, A-N-D he could load it to the gills to cart three or four students and their crap, to and from 'digs' each term; stuff a motorbike in the back to go race 'enduro' OR a sleeping bag and use the thing as a tent!!!

You are NOT doing your research as thoroughly as you think, Google DOESN'T have ALL the answers to everything, A-N-D you seem determined to 'go gangsta' rather than employ any actual intelligence or practical problem solving talent... you seem intent to have a ready made solution handed you on a plate, straight out the Ardex catalogue!

B-U-T, like I said its your call.. if you cant see further than the end of your own garden path, and insist that that is valid reason to break the law.. go for it..

IF you want to have fun on two wheels, on the other hand, stop being so cabbage coloured and expecting us to provide a pre-made prescription to give you all you want, no effort required.

Like I said, IT'S YOUR CALL, an the only thing restricting you right now, AFAICT is actually YOU, and your determination to some-how beat the system with criminal stoopity.

BTW, try googling Walter Kaaden. The notions you have about the 'excitement' associated with two-strokes, aren't, due to the engine being a two-stroke. Just being 'peaky'. Something that the two-stroke power-valve was actually evolved to combat. You dont even know enough to know that the snippet you have hung everything on, is just that, a fragment!!!!
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[Ste]

The only thing he'd need to be aware of with a tow bar mounted rack is what the nose weight limit is for the car and tow bar it's being attached to. For plenty of small shitbox cars, ~100kg is more than the specified nose weight limit so that type of rack isn't an option.

But this is all completely besides the point as he's not wanting to be transporting the bike places to ride.

It might have been mentioned already but what's a rough budget for the bike?

[stevo as b4]

Obviously I'm in a different position to the OP, and yet I almost refuse to admit that I do like messing with old two stroke bikes amongst other stuff like old cars, and that probably makes me a weirdo so I try to keep quiet.

Im limited by space, and the fact that I like old unsuitable cars, track day cars and uneconomical non towing suitable vehicles.

But if I didn't have this classic car sickness and had the space for a van instead, and maybe a trailer? Well I'd love to get back into off road competition, and I'd have an Evo era MX bike and join the local classic MX group. I'd also have the chance to enter enduro events in exciting proper locations like the Welsh forests etc, and I wouldn't be bound in shackles like all those green lane riders, that have to have fully road legal bikes, often riding them for dozens of road miles just to get to the next mile or so of muddy green lane, if it's still open to vehicles that is.

The idea of the OP getting into off road bike sport or even track days if he has the means to get started are far from bad ideas IMO. He can then have all the shits and giggles he wants, without being an annoying antisocial teen pissing off the local residents, neighbours and risking being known to the police on a regular basis.

[Teflon-Mike]

[Sister Sledge]

Hang on - I think I get it: Op wants to make motovideos and post online?
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[2strokebloke]

So , thanks for the responses and the reality check , my initial thoughts were INCREDIBLY illegal and short sighted , so for de spelling those thanks.

I don’t really want to do Mx as it’s a bit formal for me , however I would like to do green laning.

I may have discovered the answer to my problem however in the form of a husqvarna wre 125, this is because they are more lively and better looking than the dt125 whilst being learner legal and cheap to insure , they aren’t too expensive And seem to be fast enough to get to the lanes on the road.

And as for making videos, fuck that , who wants to watch me , a new rider with little knowledge or experience.

Thoughts on a husqvarna vs another bike for lanes that’s either learner legal or restrictable to be so , also the klx 125 for the same purpose as despite being 4 stroke they’re supposedly very capable bikes.

Thanks once more for preventing me buying a ktm , one of my dads mates used to do motocross and I spoke to him about one , he told me that even though they’re well built they would be shit road bikes , he pointed me toward the husqvarna and said that If I pass an a2 I should be able to swap a 200 into the frame without modification

[Ste]

[ThatDippyTwat]

[Easy-X]

I don't want to derail the thread but why is it that off-road and dual-sport bikes are such a thief magnet? Is is just 'cos of dawg-lovers?
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[Teflon-Mike]

[ThatDippyTwat]

Can be ridden almost anywhere, easy to be on your toes away from the plod unless they are on similar, despite what Mike thinks. Most plod would follow down a big enough footpath, but won't follow them over a footy pitch, let alone some of the bigger rougher stuff we have here (NE Wales).

Also seen as "cool", especially bigger or 2T machines ('bands in every gear laaaaa! - genuinely seen this in many shitty FB ad's for 2T bikes).

They're far easier to nick. Anything "proper" (Enduro, MX etc) won't even have a keyed ignition, just kick it over (or leccy boot on newer stuff) and off you go. Mine is getting fitted with an uprated stator and a full leccy system when I get it, but most are not. General weight hovers around 100KG. Less than your average 125 road bike, and it's easy enough to shove in the back of a van even with just 2 of them.
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[2strokebloke]

So the wre would be good for green lanes ? I’ve read that the stock front suspension is shockingly undersprung so would it be worth buying the (surprisingly cheap £150) set of forks from the wr competition bikes. Also what are your thoughts on the electrical power valve , they’re supposedly the same as on the cagiva mito planet as cagiva owned husqvarna at the time. Equally what tires would be the best for dual sport use?

[Ste]

They're easy to steal, easy to fuck around on, easy to swap for a PS4 and an air rifle, easy to sell as a field bike, easy to remove what few identifying features they have, etc etc etc.

Everything about them is appealing to scummy vermin thieving kids.