Changing your biking habits cos of climate change

[Undinist]

Is anyone doing this voluntarily? Or does anyone plan to do it in the near future, by choice?

[MarJay]

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Fuck em. I don't care about your kids.
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[Undinist]

[Ste]

Everyone should do more miles and use more petrol before the oil runs out or the internal combustion engine gets smacked with the ban hammer.

[MarJay]

[Howling Terror]

In the uk a motorcycle for most people is a recreational 'toy' and I for one do not like throwing my toys away.

Replace that fuel burning toy with an electric bike that doesn't weigh a metric ton and can do 200 miles and can be recharged in say half an hour then yeah I'd begin to accept that.

...but as for an electric vehicle being a 'green' machine I'm still not sure about that. Factor in the manufacturing process of batteries, the way in how they are charged and their lifespan...disposal ..

To answer your questions:

No.
Maybe.

It is about time that dirty diesel cars and vans were eff'd-off.
Way overdue that some thoughtful re-planting of trees n bushes to soak up some of the pollutants, reduce traffic noise, reduce earth slips after heavy rain and generally make urban places a little bit nicer to pass through.
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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

I won't be buying a new bike (or car) on the basis that I can't afford one manufacturing a vehicle has as much environmental cost as using it, allegedly.

[JackButler]

If it means I can plant Palm trees in my garden I'd happily richen up the mixture
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[stevo as b4]

Lol wut?

Yes I'm planning on getting another two stroke bike of mine running next year, and I might buy a new enduro bike. Fancy a big thumper ideally, but I could be pursueded to buy one last smoker if I can get one new and road register it.

So yeah my plan is to blow out sweet clouds of Silkolene 40:1 flavour unburnt hydrocarbons one bike at a time as much as possible in 2020.

I might clean my car up a bit with a new ECU, but it'll never have the catalyst re-fitted in my lifetime.

I'd be well up for driving a green vehicle as a run about, if a brand new EV city car was under £10k including the battery pack.

Tbh if you like cars your probably better off building a nice tuned diesel to enjoy black smoke induced wheel spin, and either huge torque steer or a twitchy back end antics depending on if your an fwd or rwd fanboi, while you still can drive them without being stoned to death for such evil polluting antics.

[The Shaggy D.A.]

No. If I find one of these at a reasonable price, I'm having one.

https://www.dieselbike.net/royalenfield/VegterRoyalEnfield.jpg
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[Undinist]

The electric bikes at the TT are presumably meant to sell us on non-rorty new models like the Harley Livewire. But they make me want a Honda F6C with 6 into 6 pipes while they're still legal.

[Easy-X]

I care so much about the environment I've stopped building ebikes for the time being and switched to restoring a >40yo 2-stroke. Take from that what you will

Without this degenerating too much into an electric bike thread, some things to consider....

It takes 4~6 hours to charge a typical ebike battery (e.g. 48V 10Ah) from something like a 100W charger.

In theory you could pull 3000W from a typical UK mains socket so that's 30x the power available.

You'd want something like a 96V battery to make a reasonable e-motorbike battery so it would take 8~12 hours to charge say a 96V 10Ah battery @ 100W but at 3kW? More like <20 mins (assuming you could transfer that sort of power safely.)

My best guesstimate for range obtainable after half hour charging... 50 miles maybe? That's a pretty useful range and we'd only be bending the laws of thermodynamics a little bit
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[redeem ouzzer]

Nope. Hopefully my 2t is now fixed so I can burn hundreds of pounds worth of high quality premix.
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[stevo as b4]

We're going off topic now, but I personally think that a bigger or more expensive sports/naked/hooligan electric motorbike needs to have a worst case scenario of 80-100miles when thrashed. Or Honda VTR range and performance for example. Top speed isn't really important though, and I'd say it'd be fine to cap EV bikes at 112mph which would suit the Japanese.

Charge time on a commuter bike that you can plug in at either end of a trip, or in city centres and supermarkets is fine for that use. But its no good for a pure leisure rider or a long distance touring rider. You don't want an 8-10hr day in the saddle to take another 4-6hours with time spent charging.

[xX-Alex-Xx]

Most of my biking is commuting, so it's better for the environment for me to ride. Shame that.
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[Tdibs]

If I was commuting again, and it made financial sense, would have no problem using a electric bike. Ultimately think its best to embrace it and fight hard to keep ICE bikes viable as fun.
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[Teflon-Mike]

Less than 1% of UK vehicular travel is by motorbike... hmmmm.... we could take every damn one off the road tomorrow... and it would make less difference to our national carbon 'footprint' as oooh... I don't know.... giving my mother cooking lessons to stop her burning salad! (yes seriously! She managed it!)

Meanwhile... the whole Kyoto debate on the presumed connection between climate change and CO2 emissions, remains at best, borrox... the climate has changed hundreds of times over the last 10,ooo years, and by far more and far faster than we have observed in 'modern' times, since the Dodo dies, and they started keeping records at the UK Meteorological society!!!! Let alone the last century the infernal combustion engine's been about!

It's NOT a scientifically 'proven' fact, that CO2 and green-house gas emissions are causing climate change. It is a THEORY.

A widely accepted one perhaps, but even then, exponents start stuttering and back pedalling on their 'convictions' about it, when confronted with questions about how many tons of green-house gasses, alleged to cause this climate change, come from human activity, compared to 'natural' emissions... like sheep... ISTR that the New-Zealand representative at Kyotyo ridiculed the whole plot, on the little nugget that all the sheep in Kiwi generated more 'green-house' gasses in the form of farts, than all their nation's 'industry'.... Oh-Kay, so they have a LOT of sheep, and not a lot of manufacturing industry.... but still!

Short answer is that you need to believe that Human contributed climate change, IS actually real, before you go any further... and I for one am STILL on the side lines... are we causing global warming or global cooling... go ask a dozen climate scientists, and get me two dozen answers... THEN if you are convinced that human contributed climate change IS real.... of what MIGHT be causing it.... just how much MAY be attributed to CO2 from transport? And THEN, of the CO2 from transport, how much of that is accounted for by 'leisure' transport, in which we can consider most air-line travel, as well as all other 'public' transport, before we get to the small issue of motorbikes....

Fact; crops up time after time, folk considering a motorbike as a way to cut their commuting costs... usually compared to a large family car... when if they do the numbers properly, the average household, 2 adults and 2.4 kids, crank up something like 30,ooo miles a year... of which, less than 1/3 is even remotely 'essential' mileage, and IF they wanted to cut transport costs, they would save more money, and more pollution, each year, walking the kids to school, and walking to the corner shop, rather than driving to the convenience store!

SO NO basically, is the answer, I am NOT planning on giving up my motorbikes for any notional suggestion that it might save the planet!

And Electric Vehicles?!?! Yeah... just yeah! Shift the smoke to China, so we don't have to see it... and all will be well, wont it?
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[JackButler]

Change is going to be forced upon us & there will be little chance of stopping it. There are very powerful forces at work who enjoy little competition in their views.

Yes, the climate is changing, but the only fact that I can see in all of the arguments is the fact that the climate has always been changing. No part of Mother Earth has ever enjoyed a stable climate. Never.

Where does it leave us?

There are unsurmountable barriers to electrifying our current numbers of ICE vehicles. I've heard that 40% of the fleet is a high estimate of what we can realistically expect to sustain.

Does that mean we'll be left with a mix of 40% electric & 60% ICE powered vehicle fleet?

I personally think that it means that 60% of the fleet is going to be wiped off the roads. They will tax & regulate the ICE fleet into history, most of us will listen fondly as Grandad recalls tales of personal vehicle ownership back in the days when we could travel cheaply & easily by just opening the garage door.

There will always be a few of us dinosaurs left, there will always be a hardcore resisting 'the man' at whatever cost, both financially and emotionally . . . But, we're going to have to distill our own fuel, all the petrol stations dissappeared years ago.
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[DJP]

[Sister Sledge]

No.

The ICE will vanish soon. It will be a museum piece. New vehicles will be for the most electric aside from possible emergency services and military gear.
I don't mind that.

The main problem I'm seeing?
This is remarkably similar to how the Miners Strikes went in the 1980s. Back then, coal was being dropped in favour of other fuels which is fair enough - the problem was how it was done. Suddenly you had a massive section of the British population without work in other sectors. Government had failed to work that bit out.
With electric vehicle use, government have not worked out what will happen if we went all electric. For starters can you imagine the load on the National Grid? Sh*tty smart meters won't help that. Imagine a queue of traffic stuck on a motorway in Winter? Electric vehicles with limited battery capacity and heaters on? Yeah I wouldn't want to be the one untangling that mess of flat batteries. I foresee a huge heap of problems from a not fully thought out green plan for this country.
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[P.]

I plan to buy up all the badly running 2 stroke mopeds and leave them running in my garden, on idle, badly fuelling.

[WreckTangle]

I will add my contribution.

I will get a dirty coal powered bike and ride it around all day

no, it is a real device!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roper_steam_velocipede

Any excuse to warm up the planet......
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[kgm]

Not for the sake of climate change but my habits have changed a bit recently. I bought a CRF250L which has become my main commuter and is nicely frugal. I've actually found myself really enjoying this little bike as it's great for going off exploring places I either wouldn't have noticed or chosen on the bigger bike. Sure I enjoy the power of the bigger bikes when I jump back on but for the moment I'm enjoying the different perspective that the little bike offers.

I'd like an electric bike for commuting, it would suit my commute perfectly and I have a garage at work to store my bike in with power sockets. They are still way too expensive for anything with half way realistic performance though. Why would I spend 10k when I can get a CRF for 4k brand new that sips at fuel.

Outside of commuting EV wouldn't be realistic range wise really either as the places I tend to ride to are pretty remote with few options for charging.

The trouble is the younger generations (I'm 31, so younger than me) are pretty zealous about climate change and so 'solutions' are going to be forced upon us regardless. I too forsee an end to private vehicle ownership. Public transport might be fine for those that live in cities but it's still off for those in more rural areas. Hell I live in one of Scotland's largest towns and getting anywhere but Glasgow city centre by public transport is a prolonged ball ache.