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PostPosted: 11:27 - 04 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So the solution then is to kill tens of millions of third worlders?

It could almost be called a final solution. Shocked


Hitler will one day be seen as a visionary Shocked
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 04 Dec 2019    Post subject: Motorcycles Sip Fuel Reply with quote

If you're going to stop using a motor vehicle, the first thing to go should be your car (including electric cars). Even the electric variety produces carbon dioxide. It's just that the combustion happens where you can't see it, and the energy is transmitted over copper to where you use it.

Motorcycles consume a very small fraction of the fuel that cars use, for one or two occupants/riders. On the other hand, if you've got four people, each on his own ride, that will produce more CO2 than a car.

Not to go too off topic, but the real sources of CO2 are found in China and India. I've been there, and I know.

The people in the West have been tightening their belts far too much for far too long while those who overpopulate in the East also over-pollute. If anyone should be looking at CO2 production, it should be the people of the Far East, and not the people of Western Europe or Eastern Europe or Canada or the United States.
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 04 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't a population cull in a well developed country like the UK not the wrong way to go about it though?

Wouldn't castration of male and females when young be a better approach, depending on extensive IQ tests, interpersonal skills, and an affluent affordable family background be a better way to go?

Maybe not banning people from the very upper quartile of intelligence from having children, but one child per family if it can proven that they will be able to be financially supported to adult hood to an affluent standard without ever needing state help?

Maybe castration and life jail sentences for anyone caught having children if they or anyone in their family wears tracksuits, has a name like Smith, or has horse shoes nailed to their house, car or mobile travelling accommodation?
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 04 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The people in the West have been tightening their belts far too much for far too long while those who overpopulate in the East also over-pollute.

We invented the industrial revolution and went through the polluting phase early on to reap the economic rewards. China, India, etc are catching up on that, and who can blame them. It's true there are now some clean technologies that weren't present in the Victorian era which they ought to be using now. My point is it's hard to criticise them for employing the same industrialisation in order to reap the same economic rewards. Maybe we took pollution to the brim and their late contribution is pushing it over the edge.

With no prospect of going back in time and trying to persuade our ancestors not to pursue industrial development, which would be idiotic and futile, we're left with the prospect of either paying the ROW to neither pollute nor destroy their wild habitats, or accepting the inevitable consequence of worldwide change and planning for it. We're doing neither.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 04 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hitler will one day be seen as a visionary Shocked


I certainly hope so, because some of the economic principles re-introduced by Nazi Germany worked really well for the vast majority of working people.

Sadly, his legacy is soo tainted that his economics principles can now never be discussed.

Volkswagen, Autobahn . . .etc, etc, etc . . . .
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 04 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hitler ruined socialism for everyone. Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: 22:37 - 04 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
Isn't a population cull in a well developed country like the UK not the wrong way to go about it though?

Wouldn't castration of male and females when young be a better approach, depending on extensive IQ tests, interpersonal skills, and an affluent affordable family background be a better way to go?

Maybe not banning people from the very upper quartile of intelligence from having children, but one child per family if it can proven that they will be able to be financially supported to adult hood to an affluent standard without ever needing state help?

Maybe castration and life jail sentences for anyone caught having children if they or anyone in their family wears tracksuits, has a name like Smith, or has horse shoes nailed to their house, car or mobile travelling accommodation?


It'd be something daft like getting a letter in the post saying "sorry, but this year we're castrating everyone who's surname starts A thru' M" Shocked

While it sounds like a great idea DNA is pretty random. Obviously I'm biased but my granddaughter is scary smart for her age. Her parents? Um... well my daughter's never been particularly academically inclined and the father is thick as a plank. So you'd take a look at those two and say "sterilisation" and TBH I'd probably agree.

I did read somewhere in my psychology studies that if a kid isn't properly socialised by ~3 years old you can probably write them off but IQ tests are pretty flaky for that age.

No, just carry on as we are: the planet won't suddenly explode in a few years regardless of what the climate change people say. Granted, vast swathes will become uninhabitable and then the problem sorts itself out Smile
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 04 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've resolved to do my bit.

As the climate warms up I'm going to ride faster so I can keep cool in the breeze Very Happy
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PostPosted: 00:45 - 05 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I drive a 110cc scooter that has like 8bhp and probably produces under 50g of co2 per km.

Yet I am not exempt from tax (granted it is only like £20 but still.
You can buy a Diesel car that has over double the emissions then my bike that is exempt from tax due to the low emissions.

The system is messed up.
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 05 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also I find it funny that consumerism is the answer to climate change.

Does your motorcycle or car produce a lot of co2?

Thats not good! You have to scrap it at once.

We will build huge factories that farm eco friendly cars that rely far more on rare metals.


https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/news/a27039/tesla-battery-emissions-study-fake-news/


Personally if you want to save the planet either get a bicycle or do not buy new vehicles.
I believe everyone should only buy used and and when the break we fix them instead of having a 3 year rolling PCP deal.... But I am crazy person.
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PostPosted: 01:17 - 05 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about we all convert our old bikes and cars to home build EV's? Saves on the vehicle manufacturing costs and end of life re-cycling or scrapping cost then?

Just don't tell people like Easy-X as he'd have the family car in bits by the end of the week, and be designing his own EV power controller and intelligent charging system with probably 3miles of wiring and god knows what else? Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:32 - 05 Dec 2019    Post subject: Re: Motorcycles Sip Fuel Reply with quote

centerstand wrote:
Motorcycles consume a very small fraction of the fuel that cars use, for one or two occupants/riders. On the other hand, if you've got four people, each on his own ride, that will produce more CO2 than a car.


Letís be realistic. My bike does, at best, around 50mpg. My car is at around 40mpg. Thatís hardly ďa very small fraction of the fuel that cars useĒ, is it? And fuel burnt = CO2 created. For one or two people thereís not much in it, but the bike does do better than my not-especially-efficient car. For more than that the car wins, and I move 3 or 4 people around most days.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 05 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley, I don't know what car you drive but your KTM is not a commuter grade bike. I suspect you are comparing oranges and apples.

If you drive a sh1t box commuter car, a clio or the like with a little engine you need to compare it with a 125, maxi scoot or at best a 500 or NC700.

Your KTM is more comparable to a Discovery or the like while a 1000SRR to a supercar is a more viable comparison than to an Fiat 500.

Looking at it like that there is still a huge difference between bike pollution and car pollution not including the build or scrappage which will increase the comparison even more.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 05 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
How about we all convert our old bikes and cars to home build EV's? Saves on the vehicle manufacturing costs and end of life re-cycling or scrapping cost then?

Just don't tell people like Easy-X as he'd have the family car in bits by the end of the week, and be designing his own EV power controller and intelligent charging system with probably 3miles of wiring and god knows what else? Laughing


No, but I am in the process of designing a new electric motorbike Wink
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 05 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, but I am in the process of designing a new electric motorbike Wink


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PostPosted: 15:49 - 05 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

JackButler wrote:
Polarbear wrote:


Hitler will one day be seen as a visionary Shocked


I certainly hope so, because some of the economic principles re-introduced by Nazi Germany worked really well for the vast majority of working people.

Sadly, his legacy is soo tainted that his economics principles can now never be discussed.

Volkswagen, Autobahn . . .etc, etc, etc . . . .


National Socialism was the most successful political system ever implemented.
It was coined the first `German Economic Miracle and took Germany from abject poverty to the highest standard of living in 3 or 4 years. Before the Hitler took control of the Reichstag in 1933, around 7 million Germans were unemployed; the German economy was in total collapse, Germany had no international credit rating, and was bankrupt thanks to the deliberate exorbitant reparations imposed by the various powers (Bankers) that influenced and created the Treaty of Versailles. A war, incidentally, they were last to mobilise for. The same people that funded their war effort then stopped and funded America after the offer of the Promise land.
It's important to understand here the Federal Reserve was now in control of America's finances and the Balfour Declaration had now been signed in 1917 (promising the land of Palestine to the Jewish people by Great Britain and Jewish banker Walter Rothschild).
The stranglehold of Germans finances were now under foreign control and starvation, infant deaths and suicide were at critical levels. A wheelbarrow full of banknotes could not buy a loaf of bread (that were mostly imported from Poland) As such, Imports were forbidden unless vital to survival and then heavily discouraged, with research established to reproduce these goods from inside Germany.
The NS sponsored building programmes for new motorways, football Stadiiums, enormous housing projects, and planting of new forests. In 1937 a new state-sponsored car manufacturer was commissioned by Hitler to provide cheap cars for families. It was called Volkswagen, the peoples car, that all familes were to have and were encouraged to buy one by making monthly payments.
Employers were discouraged from taking on women while the NSDAP delivered `family unit` propaganda for women to contribute to the Reich at home and be good wives and mothers giving them increased family benefits for doing so. Hitler also introduced the first environmental laws, the first animal cruelty laws, paid maternity leave and financially assisted holidays for the lesser paid. Being unemployed was illegal by the way unless you were elderly or disabled ( yes actually).
There was no gay pride, poverty, homelessness, mass immigration or obesity either as youths were encvouraged to exercise (Hitler youth). Crime was virtually eliminated as all violent and habitual criminals were interned in Forced labour camps ( deemed more productive than jails), along with gypsies, theives, sex offenders, overt homosexuals and and others deeemed enemies of thge state or detrimental to the system. Women and the elderly could walk in the city at night without fear.
I actually had a great article written by an American journalist that gave a glowing report of Germany`s success story , as did many other visitors to the new Germany. (he was fired btw, when he returned to the USA for publishing it) JFK was another outspoken advocate of Hitler, saying he had boundless ambitions for his nation and called him the `stuff of legends`. We all know how that ended along with Gen. Patton that stated `we`ve fought the wrong enemy and destroyed what could have been an advanced race. Winston Churchill himself said in his memoirs the biggest mistake the Chancellor made was depriving the Jewish bankers of their profits.
So, in the space of four years, National Sociaist Germany changed from a defeated nation, a bankrupt economy, strangled by war debt, inflation and lack of foreign capital; into full employment with the strongest economy and biggest military power in Europe.

There was no way that could of been allowed.

Dirty Nazi bastards eh? Rolling Eyes But hey, at least we're not speaking German. Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 16:23 - 05 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would the Nazis have changed their biking habits because of climate change?
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 05 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

AldridgePrior wrote:
...a long historical piece...


All very interesting except if you consider loads of people went to visit Stalinist Russia and come back with glowing reports Rolling Eyes

I still think there must be something to be learned from the Roman Empire given it held sway over most of Western Europe for over 3 centuries.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 05 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
AldridgePrior wrote:
...a long historical piece...


All very interesting except if you consider loads of people went to visit Stalinist Russia and come back with glowing reports Rolling Eyes

I still think there must be something to be learned from the Roman Empire given it held sway over most of Western Europe for over 3 centuries.


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Slaves are the best labour saving devices.

I could agree with that. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 05 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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AldridgePrior wrote:
Some difficult to accept truth


All very interesting except if you consider loads of people went to visit Stalinist Russia and come back with glowing reports Rolling Eyes


Very poor response .Would that would be the same Stalin WE ALLIED with to beat the `bad guys?
Yes, Gulags and desperation thanks to Jewish planned and funded Bolshevism/Communism that was intended for the rest of Europe as well as enforced degeneracy from the Frankfurt school of Critical Theory (the same tribe) . The same cultural Marxist `revolutionaries` that left Germany freely ( after 1933 as their socio-destructive ideology was outlawed) and continued their work in thge USA where it still festers. Work now, incidentally, that we're reaping the `benefits` of in modern day Europe.

`Its easier to fool people than convince them they've been fooled`.


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PostPosted: 20:05 - 05 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

AldridgePrior wrote:
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All very interesting except if you consider loads of people went to visit Stalinist Russia and come back with glowing reports Rolling Eyes


Very poor response .Would that would be the same Stalin WE ALLIED with to beat the `bad guys?
Yes, Gulags and desperation thanks to Jewish planned and funded Bolshevism/Communism that was intended for the rest of Europe as well as enforced degeneracy from the Frankfurt school of Critical Theory (the same tribe) . The same cultural Marxist `revolutionaries` that left Germany freely ( after 1933 as their socio-destructive ideology was outlawed) and continued their work in thge USA where it still festers. Work now, incidentally, that we're reaping the benefits of in modern day Europe.

`Its easier to fool people than convince them they've been fooled`.


Oh I don't deny Germany didn't go from bottom to the top in just a few years but people coming back with glowing reports tend to have just been shown the good stuff.

However, you reminded me of an amusing scene in "Man in the High Castle" where one of the characters asks for the key to their new flat... "oh, nobody needs to lock their doors anymore!"

But yes, the USSR might have gone but we'll be lucky to see off the fallout from it for... centuries probably Sad
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 06 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back on topic.

This is what I've been waiting to see. A decent value electric motorcycle with REPLACEABLE BATTERY PACKS!

This could be a gamechanger. 100 miles is not quite enough range for me, but bump it to 150, add a portable battery charger and I could commute and swap the battery packs at either end.

And it comes from India.

https://www.morebikes.co.uk/64590/so-how-much-do-you-think-this-ultraviolette-f77-electric-bike-costs-with-its-450nm-of-torque-34bhp-motor-and-excellent-looks-its-not-much-well-tell-you-that/
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 06 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Back on topic.

This is what I've been waiting to see. A decent value electric motorcycle with REPLACEABLE BATTERY PACKS!

This could be a gamechanger. 100 miles is not quite enough range for me, but bump it to 150, add a portable battery charger and I could commute and swap the battery packs at either end.

And it comes from India.



I want to say yes, it will be a game changer but that (claimed) 100 miles is what, eco with limitations to performance. So what it doesn't say is the range when being twattish and heaven forbid, actually twisting the throttle in anger.

One thing though, at least it's sensible money and for something like a 30 mile commute would be ideal. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 08 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What's your opinion on hydrogen?


There's not enough investment for it to break through and be the next big thing.

The big issue, somewhat ironically, is the distribution network. At a first glance it looks like it should fit into the existing petrol/diesel distribution systems. Make hydrogen at a plant (it could theoretically be done near the point of sale, but for economies of scale it will be a big plant near the sea). Transport hydrogen from plant to distribution terminal through pipes. Load it into tankers and take it to a petrol station.

The issue is that all of this stuff would have to be new. The existing infrastructure is designed/specced for petrol and diesel (and sometimes autogas). Hydrogen would leak out of every single join along the way.

The cost of replacing this infrastructure to carry hydrogen would not be worth it, without making the cost of the fuel silly. Every franchise-owned petrol station, barely staying in business now, would have to close for months to dig a hole to put the hydrogen tank in.

From a motorist's point of view it would be a better fuel, because you can refill the tank in a few minutes like a petrol car. I just don't see anyone investing in the infrastructure to get it to critical mass. Consider that autogas, with far simpler infrastructure requirements, has stayed niche because it never got to critical mass.

Electricity has the infrastructure in place, and electric cars plugged into a smart grid reduce strain (by acting as overnight battery backup - when you plug your car into charge on a smart grid, there will be times it is charging and times it is discharging).

I also have a feeling that the target of running the domestic gas (heating) network on hydrogen is somewhat unlikely. It's still using electricity to make the hydrogen. Might as well just switch over to electric heating, with a financial model over the preceding two decades that makes electricity cheaper than gas (by making cheaper renewable electricity, or an escalating tax on natural gas).
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 09 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree - hydrogen fueled vehicles is a no go. Too many bad points.

The leccy Indian bike though? Well the first thing that struck me was the 3 batteries - how would you carry those? We've all tried carrying two containers of milk with one hand and it's difficult lol. Would they require 3 dedicated chargers? 3 power outlets ad so on..

The leccy bike looks wide or is it the angle of the pics? I'm just thinking for filtering in a city that's all.
Claimed outputs and range? In a hot country and without lights on? What about where the weather is colder? Would be interesting to see real world testing done on it.
Unfortunately I just don't trust it. It's made in India.
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