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Polarbear
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 27 Nov 2019    Post subject: Found in the Conservative manifesto. Reply with quote

Buried down in the Law & Order section of the Tory christmas present brochure is this little gem.

We will tackle unauthorised traveller camps. We will give the police new powers to arrest and seize the property and vehicles of trespassers who set up unauthorised encampments, in order to protect our communities. We will make intentional trespass a criminal offence, and we will also give councils greater powers within the planning system

Now that's a proposal they should be shouting from the highest point. Only pikeys and pikey hangers on would disagree with that.

I'm voting Tory just for that so we can kick the bog dwellers off our green spaces when they decide to pollute the town.

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PostPosted: 18:25 - 27 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

great idea, if this comes true, will the police use the confiscated vehicles/property to sell at auction, to pay for the clean up operation for the mess the pikeys leave? would make them think twice before leaving their waste on pristine countryside?
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 27 Nov 2019    Post subject: Re: Found in the Conservative manifesto. Reply with quote

For bonus points, feel free to respond to the consultation. Thumbs Up

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/strengthening-police-powers-to-tackle-unauthorised-encampments
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 27 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Subject to extensive legal challenge.

More realistically we need more boulders around parks in the hotspots for this kind of thing to prevent it in the first place. Stopping them getting in is easier than kicking them out.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huge numbers of boulders can be put to block caravans from being driven on to parks but there will still need to be gated access to the parks and playing fields for tractors to mow the grass and things like that.

At best, boulders around playing fields and parks just moves the problem to the nearest piece of open land that isn't surrounded by boulders. And that's if they don't cut the padlock off the access gate.

Vehicles being seized would act as a much greater deterrent and is the only solution that doesn't just move the problem down the road.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The caravan is seized as well. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Huge numbers of boulders can be put to block caravans from being driven on to parks but there will still need to be gated access to the parks and playing fields for tractors to mow the grass and things like that.

At best, boulders around playing fields and parks just moves the problem to the nearest piece of open land that isn't surrounded by boulders. And that's if they don't cut the padlock off the access gate.

Vehicles being seized would act as a much greater deterrent and is the only solution that doesn't just move the problem down the road.


Our council has massive problems with gypsies. The parks and grassy areas have got barriers, locked gates, trenches and boulders. Any gaps are met with new boulders within days.

I'm not opposed to seizing the vehicles but you and I both know it's never going to happen! I'd much rather have boulders and trenches delivered than tough sounding policies that never get delivered. Even if you seize the vehicle they can just pay £120 (approx) and get it back again, you'll definitely not get to crusher the caravan over a trespass offence.
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sod the caravans and 4x4s just seize the mercs, porsches, etc.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
All they've got to do then is find a police officer or two over the age of 25 who has the balls to use those powers against a group of intimidating and violent 31.42keys.


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PostPosted: 15:59 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emergency accommodation isn't required for people who've already got accommodation.

Notice how they're not living in their caravans at the roadside / in car parks / on playing fields / on public parks / anywhere else now that it's cold. They won't be seen again until April or May next year.

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Our council has massive problems with gypsies. The parks and grassy areas have got barriers, locked gates, trenches and boulders. Any gaps are met with new boulders within days.

So in your area there's all those barriers, locked gates, trenches and boulders but the council still have massive problems with gypsies?
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Low quality photos but plenty of the caravans pictured in kentonline articles appear to have foreign plates on them.
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 28 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
So in your area there's all those barriers, locked gates, trenches and boulders but the council still have massive problems with gypsies?


Yup! they don't cut locks though, they just try to find new ways in.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Ste wrote:
So in your area there's all those barriers, locked gates, trenches and boulders but the council still have massive problems with gypsies?


Yup! they don't cut locks though, they just try to find new ways in.


So highly effective. Your suggestion of more bollards has an air of Balck Adder's First World War tactics about it.

If you crushed every caravan and vehicle with no compensation or follow on assistance they would stop coming.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:

So highly effective. Your suggestion of more bollards has an air of Balck Adder's First World War tactics about it.

If you crushed every caravan and vehicle with no compensation or follow on assistance they would stop coming.


Your suggestion will not happen though so it makes no difference. Call us when they start crushing the caravans or sending every illegal migrant back where they came from. These tough words mean nothing if they are later dropped, or not enforced because of court rulings.
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 29 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
These tough words mean nothing if they are later dropped, or not enforced because of court rulings.


That's half of everyone's manifesto scuppered then. Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:26 - 30 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

But given that the Tories aren't going to deliver on increasinf spending in police resources how are they going to deliver on this? Its just flim flam to draw in the faithful. Why do you think multi millionare Tory politicians who live in fancy west end mansions give a s#it if some travlurs move in next to you?

Anyway I believe travlurs are an ancient component of an establushment conspiracy.
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PostPosted: 03:54 - 30 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I've bragged before there's no traveller problem in my area as the council managed to get a special injunction against them stopping. It went down so well with local residents they got it renewed for another few years. And my local MP is Dominic "Safest Tory Seat Ever" Raab...

Maybe it's the one promise in the manifesto they'll actually follow through on given the "trial area" received it so well Smile
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 30 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now all of them are lying b*stards but as has been said the UK is probably the last country to introduce this law. There is a problem though..

I call it 'slack wording'. Laws with no real clear definition. A great example of this is The Vagrancy Act. That act was updated a few years ago and police have made a meal of it due to the 'slack wording'.

The Vagrancy Act contains within it a rule about 'being in an enclosed space' which is quite obvious. It's there to deal with certain things but it's also being used far beyond its actual intention. Think about it - it can literally be used against you if you're stood in an underpass. It can be used against you wherever there are walls or a ceiling and it does get used for it due to the loose wording - which I think was intentional.

Members of the Urban Exploration community started being arrested using The Vagrancy Act. They were not vagrants, they were simply there and had not broken in or any of that mallarkey. It was a law which police forces began twisting.

Trespass was a civil matter. It was a matter between the land or building owner and whoever was there. Police would only become involved if things got out of hand such as violence. Obviously if you were on someones land and they asked you to leave you simply said sorry and would walk off it.
Now imagine this new law coming in. Could you be arrested for walking up someones driveway to knock on their door? It seems like it. That's the level of 'slack wording' I'm expecting from this potential new law (a likely new law).

Probably be shot down with it would never happens but believe me - it happens with other rules which were implemented badly.

Travelers? They would never have their caravans taken off them - that's literally taking someones home from them. Those caravans head to compounds during colder months and come out to play when better weather starts.
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