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I recommend a bridge camera with a superzoom lense.
It's basically a 'big camera' but you don't need to faff about with expensive interchangeable lenses. I used to have a Fuji Finepix HS10 but it was nicked, and I think that model is a bit outdated now anyway.
My type of photography is 'on the go' / 'travel' style, the type where you can't be arsed to be a keeno setting up shots with a tripod etc, and definitely can't be arsed dicking about with various lenses, but still want something where you can whip out a camera and get a good quality shot at a moment's notice. The superzoom really helps too, as you can shoot interesting things from a distance. It's obvious but very handy.
I'll be getting a new camera soonish, and recent research has pointed me toward something like this: https://www.apotelyt.com/compare-camera/panasonic-fz1000-review |
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MCN wrote: | Pros dont use compact cameras. |
How many professional photographers do you think are posting in this thread?
And from what I've read, some do use compacts, sometimes.
Question is, what are you doing with your shots if you're not making money from them? There's no one right or wrong answer that covers everyone to what camera you use - only what's right or wrong for the individual. It's similar with bikes; some people like to get involved with the spanners, some just like to ride.
Another thing is, all the types of camera currently on the market have improved no end since I first picked one up and took a "happy snap". Compared to back then, it's amazing what an unknowledgeable amateur can achieve with even the simplest compact. How many times have I read of professionals complaining that they have to achieve much better results these days because of the kind of quality of shot an amateur can get, even if they only get lucky? It's all very well having the expensive kit, even understanding its complexity, but if you can't compose a decent shot, what good? That, after all, is the aim. At the same time, if you do have the wherewithal to justify getting into the dearer end of things, crack on and enjoy.
I've had a lot of compliments on my photography just on this forum. That's more than I expected. I'm smart enough to know I'm not going to be winning any competitions or raking in the money. That's not what motivates me to pick up a camera. And that's what I suggest Polarbear considers carefully before splashing out hundreds of pounds on kit he might never get to grips with, maybe will lose interest in within months of buying. My advice would be to buy a good compact, get out and use it, see what you can achieve with that first. Use that to gauge if you're likely to justify spending the big bucks or not. If you get into that, then maybe consider a bridge camera. Why blow megabucks on top gear before you even know if photography is for you?
More to this photography thing than just the kit you use.
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JackButler wrote: | The only 3 things that any photographer should care about is the light, the lens & the frame. |
I get kind of interested in the subject of the shot. Silly me ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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If you think you know ANYTHING about photography tell me what was the single most important thing I told them to do on the day of the shoot? |
Turn up?
I dunno. Mountains tend not to pay you much attention when you tell them to do stuff. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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chickenstrip wrote: | MCN wrote: | Pros dont use compact cameras. |
How many professional photographers do you think are posting in this thread?
And from what I've read, some do use compacts, sometimes.
Question is, what are you doing with your shots if you're not making money from them? There's no one right or wrong answer that covers everyone to what camera you use - only what's right or wrong for the individual. It's similar with bikes; some people like to get involved with the spanners, some just like to ride.
Another thing is, all the types of camera currently on the market have improved no end since I first picked one up and took a "happy snap". Compared to back then, it's amazing what an unknowledgeable amateur can achieve with even the simplest compact. How many times have I read of professionals complaining that they have to achieve much better results these days because of the kind of quality of shot an amateur can get, even if they only get lucky? It's all very well having the expensive kit, even understanding its complexity, but if you can't compose a decent shot, what good? That, after all, is the aim. At the same time, if you do have the wherewithal to justify getting into the dearer end of things, crack on and enjoy.
I've had a lot of compliments on my photography just on this forum. That's more than I expected. I'm smart enough to know I'm not going to be winning any competitions or raking in the money. That's not what motivates me to pick up a camera. And that's what I suggest Polarbear considers carefully before splashing out hundreds of pounds on kit he might never get to grips with, maybe will lose interest in within months of buying. My advice would be to buy a good compact, get out and use it, see what you can achieve with that first. Use that to gauge if you're likely to justify spending the big bucks or not. If you get into that, then maybe consider a bridge camera. Why blow megabucks on top gear before you even know if photography is for you?
More to this photography thing than just the kit you use.
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I am a snob and you're just a tad jeloo...
Erm... mcn did mention pros use compacts. (First sentence.)
The fact is compacts are a compromise.
The image is shite as there is a severe lack of information collected and recorded due to the reduced light and limited media.
Nothing mcn posted up there is really up for contradiction but if you must..
Fite me.
🤣 ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Nothing mcn posted up there is really up for contradiction but if you must. |
But tell me, what help was it for PB just considering taking photography up as a hobby? Are you suggesting that if you're not aiming to do it professionally, then you should never pick up a camera?
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Yet despite my dSLR and Canon G12, I still get some cracking photos off my 3 year old iPhone 7, albeit with some tweaking needed. Almost all of my bike shots were taken on it because it fits in my pocket. Which is the other factor with a dSLR; if you’re into studio stuff it doesn’t matter but if you go out to take photos then chances are you’ll only take a dSLR and lenses for a dedicated trip, meaning you might miss the opportunistic shots, whereas you might be more inclined to pop a “semi pro” compact (whatever the modern equiv of my G12 is and it isn’t a G series as it looks like they’ve gone more budget these days) into your coat pocket and have the tools to get a decent shot. This is why it’s a good excuse to get multiple cameras.... ____________________ TG. |
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doggone wrote: | It's a cliché but the best camera is the one you have with you.
A good small camera that fits in your jacket is going to get used, and getting the best from it becomes second nature. The one which has to sit in a case in the pannier and you take out when you get to your destination can seem like hard work when the novelty wears off - and the space would be more useful for something else. |
This is really important to me. And catching an effect that doesn't last, meaning you need to be quick.
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Compacts have shite depth of field and shite speed. |
In comparison, yes. But it depends on what you want to achieve. I'm not arguing that compacts are the best available, just that good results can be obtained, depending on what you want.
Quote: | OP. I recently up-graded my Canon dslr for a more pro model Canon. 5D
They were both ebay items. |
How about some examples of your work?
Quote: | But the camera records the details.
If you cannot record all the details you want then the camera fails. |
What kind of details? Again, it depends on what you're trying to achieve. You can have too much detail, as well as too little. For me with my favourite subject of mountain landscapes, I often want a result that's more impressionistic, more about capturing a mood. I think you forget there are many approaches and kinds of subject with this photography lark.
I think you experts should start a new photo thread for the new year. Let's see what you've got. Seriously, I do enjoy good photography. No point me starting it, I'm not getting out enough with the camera now. But we could have it so you tell us what kit you used to get the shot, any special techniques you used etc. Might encourage us philistines to up our game
I think many people who get into the details of camera kit actually put others off bothering though. But I say you can get pleasing results without mega expensive kit, and enjoy your hobby every bit as much as a pro with all the gear. I do. Don't let the know-it-alls put you off!
I'd like to hear more from the OP about what thoughts this discussion has provoked, and perhaps a bit more about what he'd like to achieve with photography. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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doggone wrote: | I do stock photos for fun really, it pays peanuts but the ones that sell repeatedly are from a few years back taken with a tiny Canon S100. |
Got a link to your stock- shop ? ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
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I'm certainly loath to spend £1000 on a camera to find it still has that lag that the old cameras never had. Even the cheapy ones took the photo that you pressed the button for. It seems almost as though we have regressed in some ways. |
A 'modern' DLSR (last few years) will knock spots of a 35mm and clearly with no shutter lag. The sensitivity is also through the roof compared to even the fastest silver oxide films, equivalent ASA in now in 1000s.
I haven't got one though... I bought loads of 35mm stuff for pennies when teh digital revolution started and took some nice picture of the
kids - but all in all (D)SLR is a faff. Even David Bailey has thrown his arms up in despair given the quality you can get from the latest cell phones.
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MCN wrote: |
Tell you wot, next time you're passing a wedding eventnoutside a church or hotel, look and see if the 'official' photo chap is using a Kodak throw-away or a Hassleblad?🙄 |
Polarbear wrote: | I've seen lots of things I'd like to photograph when out on the water. Mainly nature and nature doesn't wait |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 125 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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