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Always the extra risk with ice in low lying and/or shaded corners. You can sometimes simply keep in the wheel tracks of our 4 wheeled friends but that is no cast iron guarantee of grip. Even the inbetween bit that often offers more grip in certain conditions can be a grit filled twitch fest.
You don't win any medals for riding in near to freezing temperatures but for me I did find it useful when there were times when a bike was my only way (liar...could've used buses..taxis...cadge a lift) to get where I needed.
Treat it like you do in the rain or down a muddy track. Loose on the bars, smooth on the brakes before the turn and a throttle just about pulling you through the corner...any twitching...ignore (actually you do get a medal if you can ignore your first twitch). Keep your head up and continually take in your surroundings, looking for patches of wet ...hillside side water...blocked grids and topless models from Gateshead. ____________________ Diabolical homemade music Bandcamp and Soundcloud
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It's some advice.
There are plenty of people here who have to ride through winter and if you hang around they may give some of the good stuff.
It's not always so much the actual temperature as I've ridden in minus whatevers... it's the moisture content. A bone dry road on a clear day posed no problem on my trip up the M6 but the windchill of -30 did. Visor fogging on the inside and even with double gloves I admitted defeat and turned back after a thaw out.
Few of us hardy northern scum would have a meetup during the winters.
Now I have a car (plus bikes) and the 'scumbags' rarely post on here. So I call that a win-win. ____________________ Diabolical homemade music Bandcamp and Soundcloud
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I was out today on the VFR for a couple of hours - ice on seat, frosty all over the place etc. TL;DR - It's fine, if you're careful.
Gloves. You want decent winter ones (Spada Enforcers, RST Ti Outlast etc) . Silks/inner gloves also help, especially if you're on a budget (£70+ for above gloves). If your hands are numb, you're going to have a bad time, even if you don't bin it. Ideally, you want a tiny airgap between your fingertips and the gloves. Too much and you lack control, but pushed up against them will transmit the cold far more quickly. Good winter gloves are bulky. Heated handgrips help, but only to a point. Heated gloves are great, but expensive (£150+) and you need to make sure your bikes electrical system is up to powering anything heated as well. Cheap Chinese/Korean 125's usually struggle, being built to a price.
Snow is fine if you're *smooth*. Much emphasis on smooth, dont get grabby on the throttle, clutch or brakes. Things you'll get away with in the dry will absolutely have you off in reduced grip situations. If there's ice/black ice on the road itself not just pavements and puddles? Get the car out, or take the fucking bus - You get to claim if the driver stuffs it into the hedge.
Leave a bigger gap - Not just because of your stopping distance, but also the muppet behind you. Lots of car drivers fail to comprehend how much grip is reduced, and how much stopping distance is increased. ____________________ '98 VFR800 (touring) - '12 VFR800 Crosrunner (Commuting) - '01 KDX220 (Big Green Antisocial Machine) |
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ThatDippyTwat wrote: | I was out today on the VFR for a couple of hours - ice on seat, frosty all over the place etc. TL;DR - It's fine, if you're careful.
Gloves. You want decent winter ones (Spada Enforcers, RST Ti Outlast etc) . Silks/inner gloves also help, especially if you're on a budget (£70+ for above gloves). If your hands are numb, you're going to have a bad time, even if you don't bin it. Ideally, you want a tiny airgap between your fingertips and the gloves. Too much and you lack control, but pushed up against them will transmit the cold far more quickly. Good winter gloves are bulky. Heated handgrips help, but only to a point. Heated gloves are great, but expensive (£150+) and you need to make sure your bikes electrical system is up to powering anything heated as well. Cheap Chinese/Korean 125's usually struggle, being built to a price.
Snow is fine if you're *smooth*. Much emphasis on smooth, dont get grabby on the throttle, clutch or brakes. Things you'll get away with in the dry will absolutely have you off in reduced grip situations. If there's ice/black ice on the road itself not just pavements and puddles? Get the car out, or take the fucking bus - You get to claim if the driver stuffs it into the hedge.
Leave a bigger gap - Not just because of your stopping distance, but also the muppet behind you. Lots of car drivers fail to comprehend how much grip is reduced, and how much stopping distance is increased. |
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Leearchertog wrote: | Im new to passing my test, learned out in wet and rain so the weather doesnt phase me, but the low temps do.
I was hoping to ride today for the first proper outing on my new bike but its freezing, tomorrow is around 3-5 degrees here.
So how low do you guys avoid, i know it may vary on experience and need etc.
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I'll let you know, when it gets cold.. So far, it's not been cold enough for muffs, or thermal lining in the jacket.
by the way, 3-5 degrees, is not cold, mild yes, cold, no. You dn't really start to feel the cold at 70mph, until the outside temp is -8 degress or below, even then, it's not until -10 that is genuinely cold, then I may put the muffs on, and the thermal lining in the jacket. Getting close to 2 years since the muffs were last used ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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Posted: 09:55 - 06 Dec 2019 Post subject: Re: Who rides out in low temps |
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linuxyeti wrote: | Leearchertog wrote: | Im new to passing my test, learned out in wet and rain so the weather doesnt phase me, but the low temps do.
I was hoping to ride today for the first proper outing on my new bike but its freezing, tomorrow is around 3-5 degrees here.
So how low do you guys avoid, i know it may vary on experience and need etc.
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I'll let you know, when it gets cold.. So far, it's not been cold enough for muffs, or thermal lining in the jacket.
by the way, 3-5 degrees, is not cold, mild yes, cold, no. You dn't really start to feel the cold at 70mph, until the outside temp is -8 degress or below, even then, it's not until -10 that is genuinely cold, then I may put the muffs on, and the thermal lining in the jacket. Getting close to 2 years since the muffs were last used |
frank castle of the bike world lol. i only get a cold right index finger, new gloves not amazing but were only £40 so cant moan.
the cold i dont mind, ice i dont want to even try and tackle. |
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | linuxyeti wrote: | it's not until -10 that is genuinely cold, |
You're trying too hard to impress. It's not working. |
Shackleton was a pussy.
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Posted: 11:27 - 06 Dec 2019 Post subject: Re: Who rides out in low temps |
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Leearchertog wrote: | Im new to passing my test, learned out in wet and rain so the weather doesnt phase me, but the low temps do.
I was hoping to ride today for the first proper outing on my new bike but its freezing, tomorrow is around 3-5 degrees here.
So how low do you guys avoid, i know it may vary on experience and need etc.
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Let's assume bone-dry roads and no frost for a fair few days. I don't really ride that much different than I normally do, although yes, the fact that my tyres won't be as warm does mean I'm a bit more cautious when cornering. If I'm going to be doing much more than 50 miles, I'll be wanting regular breaks to warm up - even 5 degrees is enough to piss me off after a while (I don't have any gadgets so just have to layer up).
If it's wet, and / or been frosty over night, it's a different story. I'll be tentative and trying to softer on the brakes and softer coming off them. In fact, I'll be trying to use them less in general. ____________________ "Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."
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Hawkeye1250FA wrote: | Good tyres designed for cold weather - everyone has their own opinions from their own experience, I prefer PR3s or PR4s. |
PR2s were enlightenment for me, and then on to PR4s. I'm sure there are others just as good too, but I'd never ridden on anything so confidence inspiring in cold, wet conditions until I first tried these (won my first set of 2s from a bike magazine ). Never tried anything else since. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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I don't ride if it's below zero unless it's bone dry. Normally that's in places like alpine passes in spring, where the roads are cleared and the sun heats the road surface enough to dry them out.
The roads around here are usually salted when it's below freezing, and the salt sucks moisture out of the air, so the roads stay wet. That salty muck is then sucked off the road by your tyres and deposited on your radiator, swingarm, shocks, etc., accelerating corrosion. Not weather for a bike you value highly.
ABS and traction control helps in this weather. The main thing to avoid is jerk (sudden changes in acceleration); smoothly and gradually all the things. If you want to accelerate hard (e.g. to overtake), pull out then accelerate in a straight line, or get up to speed then drift out and back in again, don't combine large changes in direction and speed. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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