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PostPosted: 20:30 - 13 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brexit won't be a disaster but it will be difficult. Losers will be the usual demographic, IE the poor low waged service class. So no chance Boris will hold onto all those traditional Labour seats. If Brexit is some kind of roaring success that same demographic wont get to join in so same outcome in five years time.
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 13 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:36 - 13 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

You assume all tactical votes and people who would rather spit on their own mother than vote Tory -Or Boris-, but still want Brexit to go ahead a none entity then?

Like me, and several other people I know.

Statistics mean truly fuck all. All that was going to happen, happened. The Tory's didn't need to beat everyone, only labour. That's because it wasn't a Brexit referendum, we already had that, and ignoring it is a fallacy of democracy. People don't like that, even if they voted remain, they don't like it. Precisely why Labour pledging to have a second one backfired.

Labour fucked it big time and all Boris and the Torys had to do was capitalise and he/they did. The rest of the parties may as well have not existed.

Now we will see what happens again. It's going to be a fucking party and a half.

But don't try and tell me you know what will, because you don't. No one truly does. And I'm tired of up their own arsehole armchair OR professional political/economic experts telling the rest of us what is going to happen, when they have fuck all clue either.

You are stupid, like everyone else who doesn't have a crystal ball including me, I don't need to hear your ill informed bullshit opinions along with everyone elses.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 13 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:44 - 13 Dec 2019    Post subject: Re: The great Brexit future 2019 vs 2020 reality thread Reply with quote

Val wrote:
There may be some posts related to reality here.


But not yours. Speaking of reality, when are you leaving?
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 13 Dec 2019    Post subject: Re: The great Brexit future 2019 vs 2020 reality thread Reply with quote

Val wrote:
Starting a new thread for all new great Brexit future achievements. There may be some posts related to reality here. Based on Johnson's proven track record of failures as London mayor don't expect miracles to happen with Brexit either.

Watched Johnson's pyrrhic victory speech on BBC today:

https://i.imgur.com/BYgFeK6.jpg

Does that image look remotely as a confident guy happy from the "win"?

The reason is simple - Johnson may be many things he ain't stupid. With the majority, he has no excuse now and must implement the new great Brexit future. Good luck with that one.

The silver lining in the darkest hour: Johnson won the election lost the country: 14.6m voting Tory vs 16.2m against!

The result is 53% vs 47% against Johnson.


We center-ground majority are going nowhere, in fact, it's better for us now Johnson has no excuse to achieve Brexit bright future. When Brexit meets the reality and fails we will be still here to pick up the pieces and fix the broken country.

Johnson lied again:
"Getting Brexit done is now 'irrefutable' decision of British people"

The truth: 14.6m voting Tory got more seats than 16.2m against.

The irony - if GE2019 was a fair referendum where all votes count:
Remain would have won with 52.67% vs 47.33%

Fact:
https://i.imgur.com/Ss0CP9m.jpg

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PostPosted: 20:52 - 13 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

lilredmachine wrote:
You assume all tactical votes and people who would rather spit on their own mother than vote Tory -Or Boris-, but still want Brexit to go ahead a none entity then?

Like me, and several other people I know.

Statistics mean truly fuck all. All that was going to happen, happened. The Tory's didn't need to beat everyone, only labour. That's because it wasn't a Brexit referendum, we already had that, and ignoring it is a fallacy of democracy. People don't like that, even if they voted remain, they don't like it. Precisely why Labour pledging to have a second one backfired.

Labour fucked it big time and all Boris and the Torys had to do was capitalise and he/they did. The rest of the parties may as well have not existed.

Now we will see what happens again. It's going to be a fucking party and a half.

But don't try and tell me you know what will, because you don't. No one truly does. And I'm tired of up their own arsehole armchair OR professional political/economic experts telling the rest of us what is going to happen, when they have fuck all clue either.

You are stupid, like everyone else who doesn't have a crystal ball including me, I don't need to hear your ill informed bullshit opinions along with everyone elses.


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PostPosted: 20:58 - 13 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
lilredmachine wrote:
You assume all tactical votes and people who would rather spit on their own mother than vote Tory -Or Boris-, but still want Brexit to go ahead a none entity then?

Like me, and several other people I know.

Statistics mean truly fuck all. All that was going to happen, happened. The Tory's didn't need to beat everyone, only labour. That's because it wasn't a Brexit referendum, we already had that, and ignoring it is a fallacy of democracy. People don't like that, even if they voted remain, they don't like it. Precisely why Labour pledging to have a second one backfired.

Labour fucked it big time and all Boris and the Torys had to do was capitalise and he/they did. The rest of the parties may as well have not existed.

Now we will see what happens again. It's going to be a fucking party and a half.

But don't try and tell me you know what will, because you don't. No one truly does. And I'm tired of up their own arsehole armchair OR professional political/economic experts telling the rest of us what is going to happen, when they have fuck all clue either.

You are stupid, like everyone else who doesn't have a crystal ball including me, I don't need to hear your ill informed bullshit opinions along with everyone elses.


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PostPosted: 21:09 - 13 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Labour are not an anti-brexit party.

They voted for article 50 and stood on a manifesto of negotiating a deal with the EU then having a second referrendum with remain as an option. The Labour leader would not be drawn on which he would support.

So, go back and redo your spreadsheet.

EDIT: In any case, Boris did not win the election. Jeremy lost it.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 13 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Labour are not an anti-brexit party.

They voted for article 50 and stood on a manifesto of negotiating a deal with the EU then having a second referrendum with remain as an option. The Labour leader would not be drawn on which he would support.

So, go back and redo your spreadsheet.


Corbyn was trying to be Mr Sensible. I think he recognised that a responsible government has to care for everyone whichever way they voted in the referendum but that position was too nuanced for the electorate and looked like vacillating. Its mad because Corbyn is a genuine euro-sceptic not just a band wagon rider like Boris.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 13 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:30 - 13 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Labour are not an anti-brexit party.

They voted for article 50 and stood on a manifesto of negotiating a deal with the EU then having a second referrendum with remain as an option. The Labour leader would not be drawn on which he would support.

So, go back and redo your spreadsheet.

EDIT: In any case, Boris did not win the election. Jeremy lost it.


Exactly. I would rather gag on a spoon than vote Tory.

A vote for Labour was not a vote for remain.

Unfortunately in entertaining a second referendum, they made it appear as though it was to the vast unwashed. And at the end of the day, it's the vast unwashed that make the choice.

This lost them a large number of votes.

Corbyn is indeed a long term Eurosceptic, unfortunately in his inability to turn this into party policy and bring his rabble into a unified line of supporting the original brexit vote, he alienated a lot of the working class that voted leave and who usually vote labour. Hence the Tory party destroyed them in their usual heartlands.

The way I look at this, is whilst only 14.6 mil voted Tory, the fact that considerably less voted Labour is far more important. Labour could have won this election if they hadn't entertained the idea of a second referendum, and forced people who just want to see Brexit done, vote Tory.

Because people as a whole seem to want Brexit, for whatever reason. This is why the graph is a load of horseshit.
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 13 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP should neck himself, or finish his journey to Australia. I have no preference which. The only thing worse than a foreigner is one who thinks he’s a) intelligent and b) thinks anyone cares about his opinion.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 13 Dec 2019    Post subject: Re: The great Brexit future 2019 vs 2020 reality thread Reply with quote

Val wrote:

The silver lining in the darkest hour: Johnson won the election lost the country: 14.6m voting Tory vs 16.2m against!

The result is 53% vs 47% against Johnson.



So when was the last election that the party forming the government actually had the majority of votes?

I'll give you a hint....

Only one party has ever achieved this since 1918 & they have just been elected into power...
Now you just need to find the year Laughing
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I grew up in an ultra working class area. What the London Labour set forget (if they ever recognised it) is just how intolerant the working class can be of incomers, and of course immigrants are exactly that. Its ok when they provide handy cheap takeaway food but any deeper penetration and the working class can decidedly nasty.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 13 Dec 2019    Post subject: Re: The great Brexit future 2019 vs 2020 reality thread Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Val wrote:

The silver lining in the darkest hour: Johnson won the election lost the country: 14.6m voting Tory vs 16.2m against!

The result is 53% vs 47% against Johnson.



So when was the last election that the party forming the government actually had the majority of votes?


1931, Conservative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_elections_overview
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 13 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Corbyn was trying to be Mr Sensible. I think he recognised that a responsible government has to care for everyone whichever way they voted in the referendum but that position was too nuanced for the electorate and looked like vacillating. Its mad because Corbyn is a genuine euro-sceptic not just a band wagon rider like Boris.

Is "Mr. Sensible" a genuine Euro-sceptic, or has he simply made a career of being a deliberate rebel. It has made him look principled to naive students and champagne socialists, and popular with underdogs. It also means you never have to progress anything because it's always blocked by 'the establishment'. "Not your fault, Jeremy, at least you tried." Get Brexit Done was the perfect counter to his indecision.

The Labour membership has changed and Corbyn's been getting such adoration from the partisans he didn't realise ordinary people didn't like him or his manifesto. It was apparent in the TV debates when he was laughed at. Boris was too but he seemed to know it was coming. In contrast Corbyn appeared genuinely taken aback.

Now Corbyn is hanging on a while longer so he can steer a like-minded candidate into the leadership*, continuing his dream but stupidly ensuring they won't get in next time either. They'll never learn.

* Angela Rayner?
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 14 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:


* Angela Rayner?


She reminds me a little of a girl I was stupidly in lurve with at school, sighhh Wub

However ,ahem, maybe we need a Who should take over the Labour leadership thread. https://images.app.goo.gl/Z64hA6qkWNzFJdcW9
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PostPosted: 00:59 - 14 Dec 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:


* Angela Rayner?


She reminds me a little of a girl I was stupidly in lurve with at school, sighhh Wub

However ,ahem, maybe we need a Who should take over the Labour leadership thread. https://images.app.goo.gl/Z64hA6qkWNzFJdcW9


recon you may have set your sights a little high there Wink

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Official_portrait_of_Angela_Rayner_crop_2.jpg/800px-Official_portrait_of_Angela_Rayner_crop_2.jpg
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It was a good jiggling boob gif as well
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lilredmachine wrote:
You assume all tactical votes and people who would rather spit on their own mother than vote Tory -Or Boris-, but still want Brexit to go ahead a none entity then?

Like me, and several other people I know.

Statistics mean truly fuck all. All that was going to happen, happened. The Tory's didn't need to beat everyone, only labour. That's because it wasn't a Brexit referendum, we already had that, and ignoring it is a fallacy of democracy. People don't like that, even if they voted remain, they don't like it. Precisely why Labour pledging to have a second one backfired.

Labour fucked it big time and all Boris and the Torys had to do was capitalise and he/they did. The rest of the parties may as well have not existed.

Now we will see what happens again. It's going to be a fucking party and a half.

But don't try and tell me you know what will, because you don't. No one truly does. And I'm tired of up their own arsehole armchair OR professional political/economic experts telling the rest of us what is going to happen, when they have fuck all clue either.

You are stupid, like everyone else who doesn't have a crystal ball including me, I don't need to hear your ill informed bullshit opinions along with everyone elses.


Pot meet kettle.
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stinkwheel wrote:
Labour are not an anti-brexit party.

They voted for article 50 and stood on a manifesto of negotiating a deal with the EU then having a second referrendum with remain as an option. The Labour leader would not be drawn on which he would support.

So, go back and redo your spreadsheet.

EDIT: In any case, Boris did not win the election. Jeremy lost it.


It was a pretty clear Brexit election to me. Tories lost a few remain voters going to Lib Dem, but made up for it with Labour voters going Tory for the sake of Brexit.

I think Labour's biggest loss was the Brexit demographic. The Labour Brexit strategy was fine enough, but too many in the country are fixated on it like hungry children, they just wanted to... Get Brexit Done.
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 14 Dec 2019    Post subject: Re: The great Brexit future 2019 vs 2020 reality thread Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
iooi wrote:

So when was the last election that the party forming the government actually had the majority of votes?


1931, Conservative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_elections_overview


The difference between then and now is in attitude.

In FPTP it's normal to have a majority of seats with plurality of vote. This gives the means of implementing a controversial policy without a strong democratic mandate.

Usually a party in power would approach it responsibly, recognising that if their voter wants a lake, but two opposition voters want a field, then flooding two to appease one isn't right - so they'd make a pond and everyone would feel somewhat respected.

We're now seeing a transition to a system where a mandate from minority is used as an excuse for an unlimited grab of power. Historically it hasn't been ending well.
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