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Posted: 20:18 - 13 Dec 2019 Post subject: The great Brexit future 2019 vs 2020 reality thread |
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Starting a new thread for all new great Brexit future achievements. There may be some posts related to reality here. Based on Johnson's proven track record of failures as London mayor don't expect miracles to happen with Brexit either.
Watched Johnson's pyrrhic victory speech on BBC today:
https://i.imgur.com/BYgFeK6.jpg
Does that image look remotely as a confident guy happy from the "win"?
The reason is simple - Johnson may be many things he ain't stupid. With the majority, he has no excuse now and must implement the new great Brexit future. Good luck with that one.
The silver lining in the darkest hour: Johnson won the election lost the country: 14.6m voting Tory vs 16.2m against!
The result is 53% vs 47% against Johnson.
We center-ground majority are going nowhere, in fact, it's better for us now Johnson has no excuse to achieve Brexit bright future. When Brexit meets the reality and fails we will be still here to pick up the pieces and fix the broken country.
Johnson lied again:
"Getting Brexit done is now 'irrefutable' decision of British people"
The truth: 14.6m voting Tory got more seats than 16.2m against.
The irony - if GE2019 was a fair referendum where all votes count:
Remain would have won with 52.67% vs 47.33%
Fact:
https://i.imgur.com/Ss0CP9m.jpg ____________________ Adrian Monk: Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
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You assume all tactical votes and people who would rather spit on their own mother than vote Tory -Or Boris-, but still want Brexit to go ahead a none entity then?
Like me, and several other people I know.
Statistics mean truly fuck all. All that was going to happen, happened. The Tory's didn't need to beat everyone, only labour. That's because it wasn't a Brexit referendum, we already had that, and ignoring it is a fallacy of democracy. People don't like that, even if they voted remain, they don't like it. Precisely why Labour pledging to have a second one backfired.
Labour fucked it big time and all Boris and the Torys had to do was capitalise and he/they did. The rest of the parties may as well have not existed.
Now we will see what happens again. It's going to be a fucking party and a half.
But don't try and tell me you know what will, because you don't. No one truly does. And I'm tired of up their own arsehole armchair OR professional political/economic experts telling the rest of us what is going to happen, when they have fuck all clue either.
You are stupid, like everyone else who doesn't have a crystal ball including me, I don't need to hear your ill informed bullshit opinions along with everyone elses. ____________________ Bikes: too many, too much for one man to maintain anyway. |
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Posted: 20:50 - 13 Dec 2019 Post subject: Re: The great Brexit future 2019 vs 2020 reality thread |
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Val wrote: | Starting a new thread for all new great Brexit future achievements. There may be some posts related to reality here. Based on Johnson's proven track record of failures as London mayor don't expect miracles to happen with Brexit either.
Watched Johnson's pyrrhic victory speech on BBC today:
https://i.imgur.com/BYgFeK6.jpg
Does that image look remotely as a confident guy happy from the "win"?
The reason is simple - Johnson may be many things he ain't stupid. With the majority, he has no excuse now and must implement the new great Brexit future. Good luck with that one.
The silver lining in the darkest hour: Johnson won the election lost the country: 14.6m voting Tory vs 16.2m against!
The result is 53% vs 47% against Johnson.
We center-ground majority are going nowhere, in fact, it's better for us now Johnson has no excuse to achieve Brexit bright future. When Brexit meets the reality and fails we will be still here to pick up the pieces and fix the broken country.
Johnson lied again:
"Getting Brexit done is now 'irrefutable' decision of British people"
The truth: 14.6m voting Tory got more seats than 16.2m against.
The irony - if GE2019 was a fair referendum where all votes count:
Remain would have won with 52.67% vs 47.33%
Fact:
https://i.imgur.com/Ss0CP9m.jpg |
____________________ Adrian Monk: Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
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lilredmachine wrote: | You assume all tactical votes and people who would rather spit on their own mother than vote Tory -Or Boris-, but still want Brexit to go ahead a none entity then?
Like me, and several other people I know.
Statistics mean truly fuck all. All that was going to happen, happened. The Tory's didn't need to beat everyone, only labour. That's because it wasn't a Brexit referendum, we already had that, and ignoring it is a fallacy of democracy. People don't like that, even if they voted remain, they don't like it. Precisely why Labour pledging to have a second one backfired.
Labour fucked it big time and all Boris and the Torys had to do was capitalise and he/they did. The rest of the parties may as well have not existed.
Now we will see what happens again. It's going to be a fucking party and a half.
But don't try and tell me you know what will, because you don't. No one truly does. And I'm tired of up their own arsehole armchair OR professional political/economic experts telling the rest of us what is going to happen, when they have fuck all clue either.
You are stupid, like everyone else who doesn't have a crystal ball including me, I don't need to hear your ill informed bullshit opinions along with everyone elses. |
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Ribenapigeon wrote: | lilredmachine wrote: | You assume all tactical votes and people who would rather spit on their own mother than vote Tory -Or Boris-, but still want Brexit to go ahead a none entity then?
Like me, and several other people I know.
Statistics mean truly fuck all. All that was going to happen, happened. The Tory's didn't need to beat everyone, only labour. That's because it wasn't a Brexit referendum, we already had that, and ignoring it is a fallacy of democracy. People don't like that, even if they voted remain, they don't like it. Precisely why Labour pledging to have a second one backfired.
Labour fucked it big time and all Boris and the Torys had to do was capitalise and he/they did. The rest of the parties may as well have not existed.
Now we will see what happens again. It's going to be a fucking party and a half.
But don't try and tell me you know what will, because you don't. No one truly does. And I'm tired of up their own arsehole armchair OR professional political/economic experts telling the rest of us what is going to happen, when they have fuck all clue either.
You are stupid, like everyone else who doesn't have a crystal ball including me, I don't need to hear your ill informed bullshit opinions along with everyone elses. |
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Labour are not an anti-brexit party.
They voted for article 50 and stood on a manifesto of negotiating a deal with the EU then having a second referrendum with remain as an option. The Labour leader would not be drawn on which he would support.
So, go back and redo your spreadsheet.
EDIT: In any case, Boris did not win the election. Jeremy lost it. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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stinkwheel wrote: | Labour are not an anti-brexit party.
They voted for article 50 and stood on a manifesto of negotiating a deal with the EU then having a second referrendum with remain as an option. The Labour leader would not be drawn on which he would support.
So, go back and redo your spreadsheet.
EDIT: In any case, Boris did not win the election. Jeremy lost it. |
Exactly. I would rather gag on a spoon than vote Tory.
A vote for Labour was not a vote for remain.
Unfortunately in entertaining a second referendum, they made it appear as though it was to the vast unwashed. And at the end of the day, it's the vast unwashed that make the choice.
This lost them a large number of votes.
Corbyn is indeed a long term Eurosceptic, unfortunately in his inability to turn this into party policy and bring his rabble into a unified line of supporting the original brexit vote, he alienated a lot of the working class that voted leave and who usually vote labour. Hence the Tory party destroyed them in their usual heartlands.
The way I look at this, is whilst only 14.6 mil voted Tory, the fact that considerably less voted Labour is far more important. Labour could have won this election if they hadn't entertained the idea of a second referendum, and forced people who just want to see Brexit done, vote Tory.
Because people as a whole seem to want Brexit, for whatever reason. This is why the graph is a load of horseshit. ____________________ Bikes: too many, too much for one man to maintain anyway. |
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lilredmachine wrote: | You assume all tactical votes and people who would rather spit on their own mother than vote Tory -Or Boris-, but still want Brexit to go ahead a none entity then?
Like me, and several other people I know.
Statistics mean truly fuck all. All that was going to happen, happened. The Tory's didn't need to beat everyone, only labour. That's because it wasn't a Brexit referendum, we already had that, and ignoring it is a fallacy of democracy. People don't like that, even if they voted remain, they don't like it. Precisely why Labour pledging to have a second one backfired.
Labour fucked it big time and all Boris and the Torys had to do was capitalise and he/they did. The rest of the parties may as well have not existed.
Now we will see what happens again. It's going to be a fucking party and a half.
But don't try and tell me you know what will, because you don't. No one truly does. And I'm tired of up their own arsehole armchair OR professional political/economic experts telling the rest of us what is going to happen, when they have fuck all clue either.
You are stupid, like everyone else who doesn't have a crystal ball including me, I don't need to hear your ill informed bullshit opinions along with everyone elses. |
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Posted: 08:09 - 14 Dec 2019 Post subject: Re: The great Brexit future 2019 vs 2020 reality thread |
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The difference between then and now is in attitude.
In FPTP it's normal to have a majority of seats with plurality of vote. This gives the means of implementing a controversial policy without a strong democratic mandate.
Usually a party in power would approach it responsibly, recognising that if their voter wants a lake, but two opposition voters want a field, then flooding two to appease one isn't right - so they'd make a pond and everyone would feel somewhat respected.
We're now seeing a transition to a system where a mandate from minority is used as an excuse for an unlimited grab of power. Historically it hasn't been ending well. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 134 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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