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As I'd expected.
Crap at planning.
Spatial intelligence not much better.
Can remember numbers.
Mental rotation piece of piss.
Verbal comprehension good.
Attention...meh.
Emotional...good.
The spider diagram was skewed to the left
Not a retard...not a genius.
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Does it say anything about laziness? I can't be bothered to look at it. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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stinkwheel wrote: | As is often the case, they confuse intelligence with memory and education.
You can be very intelligent and illiterate. You would fail this test. |
And what is intelligence anyway?
The dictionary definition is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills - does that mean all knowledge and skills, or just some?
If I know all of the theory of brain surgery, but don't have the skills to apply it, does that make me unintelligent?
If I have a Masters degree in micro-biology, but can't change a light bulb (that's a first hand experienced example) does that make me unintelligent?
If I can't read or write and failed every exam I ever sat, but did an X year apprenticeship and I'm now an award winning stone mason, am I intelligent?
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MCN wrote: | Shaft wrote: |
And what is intelligence anyway?
The dictionary definition is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills - does that mean all knowledge and skills, or just some?
If I know all of the theory of brain surgery, but don't have the skills to apply it, does that make me unintelligent?
If I have a Masters degree in micro-biology, but can't change a light bulb (that's a first hand experienced example) does that make me unintelligent?
If I can't read or write and failed every exam I ever sat, but did an X year apprenticeship and I'm now an award winning stone mason, am I intelligent?
This is like IQ tests, means absolutely bugger all in the real world. |
IQ is relevant in context.
I know some folk who are generally thick as fuck.
And other folk who are very smarts.
Intelligence in general is graded but what we use to measure is in question. |
Relevant in what context?
My IQ tests lead me to be invited to join MENSA, which I did - my experience of that has lead me to no conclusion that IQ is relevant anywhere. ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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The other thing is we place far too much emphasis on speed of response. Not just here but in many things.
I remember hearing an interview with a professor of pure mathematics on the radio. She was advocating massively increasing the time allowed for maths exams. Her argument was that speed of calculation is utterly irrelevant, coming up with a correct and reasoned solution to the problem is the only outcome that matters.
Putting an onerous time constraint on an exam doesn't tell you how good the person is at the thing you are examining. I've done a lot of exams in my time and the vast majority of them were rushed, there wasn't enough time to get through it all to the best of my ability.
There is a good argument for allowing enough time in any test/exam for the average student to comfortably finish all the questions. I'd suggest a 50 percentile rule, the test should be long enough so 50% of the students have finished as much as they can finish, checked their paper and handed it in.
If you want to see how someone responds to pressure, you can test that too but a maths/final degree exam is not the place to do it.
I mention speed because in that test, I found the number one difficult, the numbers came past too quickly for me to take them in, I struggle with maths at the best of times and numbers just don't sit up and dance for me.
Conversely, I block-read text so I got top 5% in the word definitions one. Presumably more because I answered quickly than because of my accuracy.
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I did alright... Top 5% in spatial rotation
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Shaft wrote: |
The dictionary definition is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills - does that mean all knowledge and skills, or just some?
If I know all of the theory of brain surgery, but don't have the skills to apply it, does that make me unintelligent?
>>no
If I have a Masters degree in micro-biology, but can't change a light bulb (that's a first hand experienced example) does that make me unintelligent?
>>no
If I can't read or write and failed every exam I ever sat, but did an X year apprenticeship and I'm now an award winning stone mason, am I intelligent?
>>quite possibly - you could be dyslexic
This is like IQ tests, means absolutely bugger all in the real world. |
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I feel like people saying that it makes little difference in the real world are probably deluding themselves at least a *little* bit? *cue flaming* It is a measurement, and by it's very nature it measures *something*. How closely that something is related to what you might define as 'success' in life is obviously debatable, but to say there is absolutely no link is probably missing the point somewhat. Granted, some people are lazy and some people work hard, some people find a niche that they are good at despite not doing well in IQ tests. Some people get a high paid job despite hardly being able to spell their own name, and some people build businesses up starting with their bare hands and become millionaires (although I would venture some level of IQ is probably required to do well at that). I have a very intelligent, talented and witty friend who is happy earning not a very big salary because he enjoys what he does. It frustrates him that he's not more financially successful, but ultimately he accepts that trade off. (He does have a loving wife and a pretty nice house, so it does clearly depend on how you define 'success'). Even so, there is probably a graph which shows a correlation between salary or earnings and IQ (again, if that's how you define 'success' of course).
The thing certainly with MENSA tests for example is that they are supposed to be culturally unbiassed. Obviously they rely on you generally being literate, but they usually test you in two phases, one of which is mainly numbers based and one of which is language based and then the higher of the two scores is taken.
But y'know, at the end of the day it's a number and that number helps neither your employability nor ability to attract a mate etc. Its really just for your own measurement but on that basis, it's not something a given person can just disregard as it does have some meaning. It's the relevancy of that meaning that is the issue, not the meaning itself. ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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stinkwheel wrote: | MarJay wrote: | I just had a look again, and it turns out the brightness on my monitor is so low that I couldn't see the grid in the 'spatial working memory' test, which is why I found it so hard... |
Maybe a test in itself? |
I was thinking along those lines myself. Something like, "I was supposed to take a navigation test, but couldn't find the location it was being held at." ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 115 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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