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Riejufixing
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 10 Jan 2020    Post subject: A car/bike crash on film. Reply with quote
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10714236/terrifying-moment-motorcyclist-head-on-crash-wrong-side-road/


Perhaps I should add that I don't think 16 months is enough. Pratt could have hit anything that happened to be in the road. Disgraceful.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 10 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wait! A Subaru... those 4WD cars? That can't go round even a mild bend?! At ~65mph?!?!?! I've looked at it several times and I still can't see why the car driver suddenly swerved.

Glad the rider survived but surely the thing to do in that situation is avoid rather than brake? Might not of pulled it off but soft grass looks better than hard car.
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 11 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's currently sploshed all over FB. To me it looks as if two cars were racing - be interesting to see what previous footage was within the dashcam.
Biker is lucky and by the sounds of things that extra body protection saved his life.
Interesting car drivers name..
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 11 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy-X wrote:
I've looked at it several times and I still can't see why the car driver suddenly swerved.


Only thing I can see is the degraded tarmac on the side of the road that may have unsettled the car, and combined with the car drivers inability to control his vehicle or assess the bend at the speed he was traveling meant he ran wide.

Seems he was correcting his mistake until fixating on the bike and then the car stopped turning and carried on travelling straight into the bike.

Easy-X wrote:
Glad the rider survived but surely the thing to do in that situation is avoid rather than brake? Might not of pulled it off but soft grass looks better than hard car.


A momentary decision made in a second. The bikes already slowing down moments after the car turns the corner -- so much so the bikes on its front wheel the riders trying that hard to stop. Even if the bike wasn't on its front and managed to slow, mind, the car driver certainly wasn't to avoid going into him.

Combine the speed of the car and the bike and part of me wonders if the biker being at such a weird angle helped him survive by going straight over the top of the car instead of directly into it.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 11 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Subaru c*nt was on the wrong side of the road and nearly killed a biker.
He was on the WRONG side of the road.

Wait for driver to come out of prison and someone needs to hammer his wrists and ankles allegedly .
With a bit of luck the Subaru driving c*nt will catch cancer and die slowly painfully.

The sad thing is that it’s more than likely to go to court and his solicitor will find a way for the c* t to wiggle out of proper punishment.
“M’lud, my client is suffering from ptsd after the incident and a custodial sentence will be just to traumatic for him M’lud”
Judge gives him a £50 fine and tells him not to do it again Rolling Eyes .
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 11 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
pepperami wrote:
The sad thing is that it’s more than likely to go to court and his solicitor will find a way for the c* t to wiggle out of proper punishment.
“M’lud, my client is suffering from ptsd after the incident and a custodial sentence will be just to traumatic for him M’lud”.

He's already been locked up. The crash was in April last year. 16 months and a three-year ban. "Causing serious injury by dangerous driving".
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 11 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sister Sledge wrote:
To me it looks as if two cars were racing - be interesting to see what previous footage was within the dashcam.
Biker is lucky and by the sounds of things that extra body protection saved his life.
Interesting car drivers name..

I too wondered how come two cars, both with front & rear dashcams, recorded the same incident, so very close to each other, at that speed.
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 11 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
The biker says his airbag saved his life. I wonder. He still got a broken back. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/motorcycle-crash-suzuki-k7-nottingham-a4331886.html#

The bikes were probably speeding too. The biker must have shed quite a lot of speed with his stoppie. Looks like he reacted quickly and braked very well.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 11 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
NJD wrote:
Combine the speed of the car and the bike and part of me wonders if the biker being at such a weird angle helped him survive by going straight over the top of the car instead of directly into it.


Yes, it could have been so much worse. We should be thankful of that.
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 11 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
More detail from a Sheffield paper: https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/car-club-chairman-jailed-peak-district-crash-which-injured-biker-1361754

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Even though airbags in his motorcycle suit inflated on impact, the rider was still left with compression fractures in six vertebrae, a broken sternum and broken left wrist. In a statement, the motorcyclist, a floor fitter, said he hadn't been able to work since, and was left in constant pain with difficulty moving."Before the accident I was a fit and active person," he said. "My life has completely changed. I am reliant on my family to pay for private physiotherapy." He was left with a large red scar from when his chest was opened, and is constantly aware of the screws and plates under his skin.


The full video released by Plod is on youtube https://youtu.be/XUK16hxemKA

If you freeze the vid at various points you can see that after the bike hits the car the rider does a complete somersault and lands on his head. Landing on his head must have caused the compression fractures.

The rolling stoppie may have helped him clear the car roof. OTOH he would have lost more speed if he'd kept both tyres on the ground. ABS could have been a big help but his GSXR1000 K7 doesn't have it.

He should have been on the left hand edge of the road to extend his view. If he'd done that, he'd have seen the car earlier and backed off. And with ABS he'd have shed more speed and been able to steer left a little bit and miss the car.
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PostPosted: 00:50 - 12 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Undinist wrote:


He should have been on the left hand edge of the road to extend his view. If he'd done that, he'd have seen the car earlier and backed off. And with ABS he'd have shed more speed and been able to steer left a little bit and miss the car.


I really don't believe in that situation you have time to make rational decisions. Instinct kicks in and his was to brake hard.

Hindsight says that however hard you brake you are not going to escape hitting the car but I would expect that would be the reaction of just about everyone of normal riding ability.
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PostPosted: 01:03 - 12 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
We can but try and learn: hug the left before a right hand bend Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:14 - 12 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riejufixing wrote:
Sister Sledge wrote:
To me it looks as if two cars were racing - be interesting to see what previous footage was within the dashcam.
Biker is lucky and by the sounds of things that extra body protection saved his life.
Interesting car drivers name..

I too wondered how come two cars, both with front & rear dashcams, recorded the same incident, so very close to each other, at that speed.

They were both members of a Subaru club, on their way back from a group drive https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/car-club-chairman-jailed-peak-district-crash-which-injured-biker-1361754

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Pratt had been chairman of the Subaru International Drivers' Club since 2011, but the position was now "lost to him." The former IT trainer had been in the Peak District on a scenic drive with the club... and was heading home
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 12 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
So he drove for 7 miles without the dash cams switched on after leaving a club event. That wasn't forgetful - that was him racing and hiding incriminating evidence for if he'd been stopped by police and accused of such. Dash cams work both ways - for and against you.

Admitted to 'driving as if he didn't care for anyone around him'.

I suppose the good thing here is that he fessed up immediately which saved everyone the hassle.
I do hope the biker can now get all of the help he deserves from insurance companies. His road to (some) recovery will be a long one.
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 12 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy-X wrote:
We can but try and learn: hug the left before a right hand bend Thumbs Up

Perhaps his positioning could have been better, you might even have done a lightning counter steer 'lane change' into the ditch but it was all so fast.
A sharp bend like that you might anticipate an oncoming vehicle running a bit wide. I suppose the walls there more or less hid the oncoming cars.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 12 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
70mph not enough braking into that tight bend.
The subbie driver has no sense of driving. Thumbs Down
I hope rider's quick recovery.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 13 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's another example of a crash where it would have done less damage to jump out the seat and over the obstacle instead of braking and smashing into it.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 13 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Undinist wrote:


He should have been on the left hand edge of the road to extend his view. If he'd done that, he'd have seen the car earlier and backed off. And with ABS he'd have shed more speed and been able to steer left a little bit and miss the car.


There's absolutely no fault with the rider in this one, I really don't think it's appropriate for you to try and be clever about it. Have you paused the video around the 18 second mark, as the bike comes into view of the car?

While I fully agree with the left edge for blind corners, with the extra height of being on a bike I believe he would have seen the silver roof from way back down the road, there appears to be a really clear cross-view. Then when the driver allows the car to run wide across the centre line, mid corner, the bike is still on the straight and starts to brake, hard, and there's no moving to the nearside once he's squeezing the shit out of the front brake. So you are totally wrong.
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So, how do you propose these acrobatics could be performed in the split seconds that the accident took.

The only way you could jump off a bike woukd be by standing on the seat and that's one of the most insanely unrealistic and impractical solutions I've ever heard.
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 13 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Actually I've just looked, it's not where I thought it was, there isn't a cross-view, however the biker's position is still absolutely 100% fine. I'd have been central, exactly where he was, until much nearer the corner before easing left for the view, before dropping it in... he never got to that point due to the fucktard in the Subaru blocking his path.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 13 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jmoan wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
So, how do you propose these acrobatics could be performed in the split seconds that the accident took.

The only way you could jump off a bike woukd be by standing on the seat and that's one of the most insanely unrealistic and impractical solutions I've ever heard.


No one is stopping you from embedding yourself in an A or B pillar or swerving into oncoming traffic but don't rule out other options.

Obviously it's harder for sport bike fairies in thier gimp suit onsies to pop off the pegs.

Better off in a leotard by the sounds of it. But don't you think the stoppie inadvertently put the rider in the perfect launch position anyway? That looked like a Triple Salchow to me but it was the landing that put him out of the medals.

If you've ever played the, "If x happened what's my escape route?" game, it's hard!
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 13 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'd have jumped ... I've done it before ... better than going head on with a big solid lump of metal.

Everyone reacts differently to an accident situation ... thankfully, although badly injured, he's alive and that's all that matters!
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PostPosted: 07:06 - 14 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
matto wrote:
Undinist wrote:


He should have been on the left hand edge of the road to extend his view. If he'd done that, he'd have seen the car earlier and backed off. And with ABS he'd have shed more speed and been able to steer left a little bit and miss the car.


There's absolutely no fault with the rider in this one, I really don't think it's appropriate for you to try and be clever about it. Have you paused the video around the 18 second mark, as the bike comes into view of the car?

While I fully agree with the left edge for blind corners, with the extra height of being on a bike I believe he would have seen the silver roof from way back down the road, there appears to be a really clear cross-view. Then when the driver allows the car to run wide across the centre line, mid corner, the bike is still on the straight and starts to brake, hard, and there's no moving to the nearside once he's squeezing the shit out of the front brake. So you are totally wrong.


I'm not trying to be clever for the sake of it, I'm just trying to stay alive and out of a wheelchair. There are lessons to be learned from this poor chap's fate.

I don't agree there's a clear view. Have a look at the vid at 16s - the car is coming out of a slight dip.

Anyway, if the biker had seen a car roof coming at 70 mph, he would instinctively have moved to the left. Anyone would do that.

And even if the Subaru roof was visible, a low-roofed sports car would have been hidden by the wall.

If the biker had been over to the left, and he'd had good ABS, the outcome would have been very different. He might have hit the car at a much, much lower combined speed, or he might have missed it altogether.

Edit: I used the lat and long from the dashcam to find the road on Streetview. Here's the bker's view: https://goo.gl/maps/krTMgr3xfUMdDvtw7
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FWIW, I agree that good ABS might have helped to reduce speed - once you've gone stoppie, your braking power is much lower, any more and you flip. More importantly ABS leaves you with functional steering even while you're braking hard instinctively. It's not just about minimizing stopping distances, but having some element of control.

It's very unfair to second-guess reactions once an accident has become inevitable - all your expectations about how the world works are broken. You can only ride at speed because predictions about what's going to happen get baked into your unconscious and muscle memory.
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