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Posted: 21:18 - 11 Jan 2020 Post subject: |
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A million questions because post has not enough detail: are you using the bike for commuting or just social rides?
For the front based on this bike I'd say either an open shackle padlock for the front disc or a d-lock to go through the spokes / gap in the brake disc.
You could then chain the frame to something up front or the front wheel to the frame just to be extra annoying with something like a short 13 mm.
For the rear, and since its a 125, I'd probably go with a 1.5 - 2.0 m 13 mm chain for out and about. Trying to lug a 16 mm about on that would get you nowhere quick.
For at home I'd go for a 16 mm on the rear through the spokes in the wheel and over the tyre to loop around a ground anchor or suck like. A 2.0 m should be more than sufficient, but since these things are costly you could use that 13 mm as a gauge to decide if you need a 1.5 mm etc. I'd probably just get a 13 mm first in a 1.5 or 2.0 m length to get you started, but be aware it can be bolt cropped by hand unlike the 16 mm (which can't, but can be cut by a portable angle grinder).
You may be able to get something like an R21 roundlock on the rear sprocket -- again using the above bike as an example -- since the holes in the rear sprocket look quite large.
All the products I mention are available here (Pragmasis): https://securityforbikes.com/
Best avoid the things shops like J&S sell. Abus might be ok, but I've not really looked at them. Most are the reason many bikes go missing. Not that things with Pragmasis don't, but I'd splash out to start with to make sure it stays yours.
Don't go with anything that has chain links smaller than 13 mm, and 16 mm is considered the basis of the "heavy duty" security. 19 mm is a step up, and the recent selling of 22 mm the most extreme. The higher you go the more time your buying yourself against attacks, but the 19 mm and 22 mm are for nothing but at home due to their weight, and even then they have to be used correctly to be effective -- and that comes in time with knowing how best to lock it up for your set up etc.
Budget will be your biggest factor. But if you're tight on money I'd get that 13 mm chain first, and then at least a disc lock.
Keep in mind that the front of a motorbike can simply be lifted so, despite what you may think, padlocks etc are more effective on the rear sprocket -- or one on both since their very light.
To carry your items you may want to get a backpack, but based on the chance of falling I wouldn't do it. Kriega do luggage drybags: their expensive but a good piece of kit with a 10 year warrenty. US20 is a decent size, or a US10 if you're not going to be using much. I recommend the kriega bags because they can withstand some abuse in load where other tailbags have failed over time. Don't bother with a US5 because too small, or a US30 because would be too big for your bike and what you wish to carry to start out with. ____________________ The do it all, T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶k̶e̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶,̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶i̶g̶ ̶l̶u̶m̶p̶,̶ ̶C̶h̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶N̶o̶o̶d̶l̶e̶ |
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Posted: 21:34 - 11 Jan 2020 Post subject: |
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The thing to remember is that no security is impervious to the dedicated thief. The best you can manage is to lay as many hassles in their path that they are discouraged and move on to something easier.
Disk locks, chains, alarms, trackers... you need a package, a body of work that says "yes, by all means try and steal this bike but it'll take you 5 mins longer than the one up the street." ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Posted: 16:08 - 12 Jan 2020 Post subject: |
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GettinBetter wrote: | Does anyone have some idea how much these big (16mm) chains weigh, and where would/do you carry them. |
Kriega US-20.
These are the clips it comes with. The left hand ones go on the bike, and stay there: they locate under the seat and are tied to various points of the bikes frame. The clips on the R/H side connect to the top of the bag and the metal part hooks into the part of the L/H ones that stick out from under the rear seat, and then you just pull on them to tension them.
A 16 mm 2.0 meter chain weighs about 9 kg without padlock, and perhaps 0.50 - 1.00 kg more with padlock (depending on what one you buy). A 16 mm 1.5 meter weights about 6.5 - 7.0 kg (somewhere in the middle IIRC) on its own.
In terms of carrying it around on a 125 I wouldn't. a 13 mm was heavy enough for the slow 125 I had, and anything more would have upset the balance way too much. Your limitation here is not what to carry it, but what your using to carry it on: a 125 simply wouldn't handle the weight on a regular basis.
Even riders on here with bigger bikes wouldn't, and don't, carry their 16 mm chains around with them because of the weight. I've done it for a long time, but even I'm downsizing to reduce weight as its far too easy for me to think theirs something wrong with the bike when in reality its often the weight of the bag combined with bad roads (longer stopping distance, sometimes tougher gear changes etc).
GettinBetter wrote: | panniers |
Weight is best set centrally on a motorbike. Panniers are perfect, but unless balanced equally would probably cause problems in cornering. A top box is quick and dry, but it depends how far over the rear wheel the topbox is when it comes to handling issues; and that's not to mention the limitation in weight that the arms of the topbox have (of which a 16 mm would easily be too heavy).
Always aim for a bag that goes onto the rear passenger seat for heavy loads, and that's why I recommend Kriega (proven, dry, and can transport heavy loads). You could look at Oxford but do not put a 16 mm in one of their tail bags unless you want it to snap on you mid-way through a ride (quality of zips, straps etc are poor). I've never looked at any brands other than those two for tails bags so cannot comment further.
A 13 mm 1.5 meter chain should be ideal for what you need it for (or 2.0 meter depending on how far away the object is you'd be locking it to). If you can splash out then a 16 mm for at home also then do, but I wouldn't get caught up on getting one for the bike you have when a 13 mm could serve the purpose for at home and out and about.
Don't splash all your cash on just the chain, mind, because as above you'll want at least a disc lock too. I often go for a variation of types of locks just to make life difficult for t-leafs. ____________________ The do it all, T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶k̶e̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶,̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶i̶g̶ ̶l̶u̶m̶p̶,̶ ̶C̶h̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶N̶o̶o̶d̶l̶e̶ |
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Posted: 23:07 - 12 Jan 2020 Post subject: |
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Cool.
Excellent info.
Thanks guys, really appreciate your replies. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 101 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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