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125's are pretty useful things and particularly good commuter tools. They tend to be more expensive to buy, pr-rata 'cos almost any-one can ride one on an L-Plate, this also makes insurance on them proportionally more expensive; but all-in, they can be pretty cheap biking, a-n-d many of them can achieve the national speed limit.. 60mph, and even the elevated limit on duel carriageways, and bang for your buck offer a heck of a lot of motorcycling for your money. Also, being so oft derided as 'kiddie bikes' you dont tend to take them so seriously, and so can bag a lot of fun for it to boot. They have a lot going for them, all in, b-u-t they aren's a 'Big Bike'.. and that lack of serious can give a derisory edge to them.
B-U-T as said many are as fast as as any bike is legally allowed to go in this country, and they can be pretty easy on the wallet, easy to live with and easy of punt off when you need to.
Motorways... I have used a 125 on the motorway, and have few qualms to do so. But then I have also had a Series III Deseasil Land-Rover and used that there too! The land-Rover wasn't so bothered by side winds... but it was moped slow especially on hills, and even with 32 gears to play with there were times I wondered if I could find one low enough! lol. Point is that a 125 is NOT the slowest thing on the roads, and it's only oif you expect to blitz duelies like an Audi would that they might be frustrating. Stick to 55mph ion the in the 'truck stack', find a freindley HGV with a big flat back to give a good 'draft' and tow you along, and you can waft along for mile after mile, with the throttle almost closed, getting even better mpg than a tee-total 125 normally manages! When I was at Uni,. I used to do Birmingham-Bristol, quite often on the M5, like that, and could usually get the 200 miles there and back on a gallon of 2* leaving me with BEER money in the middle.... boring as heck though... but then motorways are.. if you want interesting take the A-Roads.
So motorways are 'doable' on a 125. they are do-able on a 125 scooter, and chap round the corner who's been into the Northern Saul scene since the hey day of the Tic-Toc has been taking convoys of mods up the M6 for decades, but they are do-able on a 125. Main thing thoughj is the 'expectation' and the discipline to stick nit out in that truck-stack and not try get into the games with the Audicochs in the middle and outside lanes, trying to do 99 per the whole time, on the car in fronts tail lights, switching lanes every two seconds trying to get ahead. Dat be Daft, and on a bike, without side impact bars you ARE going to come out the worst off! Here a 125 DOES score in the lack of oomph that disenclines you to even try.... and even on the Seven-Fifty, IF I use an M-Way, and they can be helpful, usually coming back from some-where in the dark, they make for 'easy' stress free mile eating, but only IF you sit it out like a lorry and don't go looking for 'something' like Aidicochs to play with to alleviate the boredom of not having sharp bends or T-Juntions to contend with....
Which is suggestion that if you go for a bigger bike 'for M-Ways' you will be inclined to get into these games, which I have to say you can only loose... even quarter of a century ago, on a 150+mph motorcycle, opening the taps on a clear open m-way will NOT get you very far ahead of a padlock on your arse.. believe me.... even at seriously licence loosing velocities.. 60mph is a mile a minute... you may be able to go 30mph faster, but that;s still only 1/2 a mile minute, and it wont be long before padclok is right back up your chuff, probably all exited with 'race head' on, when you are trying to negotiate a six way multi-lane roundabout... you been warned.... B~U~T point is a 125 can contend with motorways pretty well as well ad anything, cos its not the bike, its the rider. approach and expectation.
Thunk for you; motorways make for a lot of 'progress' because they are wide, and straight and multi-lane, and keep traffic flowing. Taking the A-Roads, you would be doing well, over 100 miles to average 30mph, with junctions and stop start. on the M-Way, even not exploiting the elevated speed limit, you can pretty easily average 45-50mph so 50% more, 'just' because of the reduced traffic control... so you are saving time and risk taking one, why do you need to ramp the risk to above and beyond just to try make a tiny bit more time?
SO?!? Real question is do you NEED or want anything bigger than the 125?
Answer is almost certainly 'no', its a question of WANT not need.. now why would you want a bigger bike? Well, the Seven-Fifty is certainly more comfy. It has a bigger saddle and bigger frame, and the engine is so much more flexible... b-u-t? Is that really worth it?
Back to that expectation and approach. My Seven Fifty is, on the open market' worth about 1/2 what the 125 is. On the all up costs, they both cost approx the same to run; the 125 costs about 50% more a year to insure, but I pay old duffer insurance rates without +commuting clauses on the premium, and annual miles tend to be pretty low. For more every day, and higher mile use, the 125 starts to win, and significantly on the all-up cost comparison, by about 5ooo miles. Like for like, its small compromise to put up with the 125's smaller frame and less commodious saddle, for the £ they cost. By same token, the comfort of the 750 and the luggage caarting ability are pretty expensive indulgences, but all in, for the miles I don't do, small potatoes. How you want to cut up the camel of the compromise?
So the ultimate answer, REALLY is only one YOU can answer, and probably only really by doing it.
I would suggest, that for the small extra you'd get from a big tiddler, like a CB125F or a YBR250, the major comforts of a bigger bike, probably just aren't there, and you have a bike that is for the most part mile of a compromise with most of the drawbacks of a 125 with few if any of the advantages of a bigger bike, particularly as far as resale values go, but more as far as high mile maintainability on something not so common in the listings.
I would suggest, that something a tad more common, like a (showing my age!) an ER5, or whatever the school DAS bikes are these days, would likely offer a bit more in the all-round compromise, and the buy vs resale is likely to be a big win, whilst you get something a bit more substantial and comfortable and easier to live with in the intervening... B-U-T its your approach and expectation, and how you cut up the camel....
If you have gone and got a RWYL 'A' entitlement licence, enbd of the day you 'may' Ride What You Like.... and only you will be able to say whether its worth it..... but you will have the hanging compunction to go try... and why not?
Its spring soon... you could keep the 125 as a wok-horse / back up, and for reletively not a lot of money, go get something like an old ER5, ride it for a couple of months, decide what you like or dont about it, then chop it on against something like a ZZ6, try that, and so on for the summer... until YOU know what you do and dont like, and can make a 'better' decision on hoe you want to cut up the camel, or what colour mule to make... could be 'fun' too, especially if you still have the 125 in he shed to fall back on, and add to the final trade in in a years time...
Bottom line answer, top is it worth trading 'up' to a big tiddler?
Personally, I dont think it often is. They do have something going for them, b-u-t they are neither fish nor foul, and you;d have to work the compromise to make one work for you; B~U~T its you that's got to ride it, its you that's got to cut up the camel.. just remember you dont have to put all your eggs in one basket, or get it right first time, once and forever.. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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For the most part - ignore salesmen. The sole purpose of the job is to part you from as much money as possible.
Test ride one. You'll probably need about 1K on your card, and they'll swipe it so if you do bin it, it covers the excess on the insurance (Generalising, but common). CBR is in name only, it's really a single pot commuter - They're really not that fast or worth the premium IMHO - Older CBR250 or a Ninja 250 would be a better bet if you decide to go down that road.
Personally, I'd say it's a little small for an only bike - I have a 250 (Essentially a CBR250R), that get's ridden 80% of the time, but I also have a bigger bike for the other 20%. It will do motorways, and it will sit at 70, but I wouldn't want to do more than 10-15 mile stretches, as it's fairly wound up maintaining 70, and not a huge amount left for overtakes. Now, if I had a 600, I'd struggle a lot to justify having 2 bikes. A bit of poke to have fun with, reliable, not wallet rapingly expensive to run. Look at detuned models, CBF rather than CBR, GSX-F, not GSX-R etc. ____________________ '98 VFR800 (touring) - '12 VFR800 Crosrunner (Commuting) - '01 KDX220 (Big Green Antisocial Machine) |
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Manufacturers these days tend to make to class, i.e. Am, A1, A2, A.
A 300 would be the low end of A2. Maybe consider something at the higher end? e.g. CB500F. IMHO it's not till you go north of 200kg that you feel it's "a big bike" (for manual, engine-off manoeuvring at least.)
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Teflon-Mike wrote: | 125's are pretty useful things and particularly good commuter tools. They tend to be more expensive to buy, pr-rata 'cos almost any-one can ride one on an L-Plate, this also makes insurance on them proportionally more expensive; but all-in, they can be pretty cheap biking, a-n-d many of them can achieve the national speed limit.. 60mph, and even the elevated limit on duel carriageways, and bang for your buck offer a heck of a lot of motorcycling for your money. Also, being so oft derided as 'kiddie bikes' you dont tend to take them so seriously, and so can bag a lot of fun for it to boot. They have a lot going for them, all in, b-u-t they aren's a 'Big Bike'.. and that lack of serious can give a derisory edge to them.
B-U-T as said many are as fast as as any bike is legally allowed to go in this country, and they can be pretty easy on the wallet, easy to live with and easy of punt off when you need to.
Motorways... I have used a 125 on the motorway, and have few qualms to do so. But then I have also had a Series III Deseasil Land-Rover and used that there too! The land-Rover wasn't so bothered by side winds... but it was moped slow especially on hills, and even with 32 gears to play with there were times I wondered if I could find one low enough! lol. Point is that a 125 is NOT the slowest thing on the roads, and it's only oif you expect to blitz duelies like an Audi would that they might be frustrating. Stick to 55mph ion the in the 'truck stack', find a freindley HGV with a big flat back to give a good 'draft' and tow you along, and you can waft along for mile after mile, with the throttle almost closed, getting even better mpg than a tee-total 125 normally manages! When I was at Uni,. I used to do Birmingham-Bristol, quite often on the M5, like that, and could usually get the 200 miles there and back on a gallon of 2* leaving me with BEER money in the middle.... boring as heck though... but then motorways are.. if you want interesting take the A-Roads.
So motorways are 'doable' on a 125. they are do-able on a 125 scooter, and chap round the corner who's been into the Northern Saul scene since the hey day of the Tic-Toc has been taking convoys of mods up the M6 for decades, but they are do-able on a 125. Main thing thoughj is the 'expectation' and the discipline to stick nit out in that truck-stack and not try get into the games with the Audicochs in the middle and outside lanes, trying to do 99 per the whole time, on the car in fronts tail lights, switching lanes every two seconds trying to get ahead. Dat be Daft, and on a bike, without side impact bars you ARE going to come out the worst off! Here a 125 DOES score in the lack of oomph that disenclines you to even try.... and even on the Seven-Fifty, IF I use an M-Way, and they can be helpful, usually coming back from some-where in the dark, they make for 'easy' stress free mile eating, but only IF you sit it out like a lorry and don't go looking for 'something' like Aidicochs to play with to alleviate the boredom of not having sharp bends or T-Juntions to contend with....
Which is suggestion that if you go for a bigger bike 'for M-Ways' you will be inclined to get into these games, which I have to say you can only loose... even quarter of a century ago, on a 150+mph motorcycle, opening the taps on a clear open m-way will NOT get you very far ahead of a padlock on your arse.. believe me.... even at seriously licence loosing velocities.. 60mph is a mile a minute... you may be able to go 30mph faster, but that;s still only 1/2 a mile minute, and it wont be long before padclok is right back up your chuff, probably all exited with 'race head' on, when you are trying to negotiate a six way multi-lane roundabout... you been warned.... B~U~T point is a 125 can contend with motorways pretty well as well ad anything, cos its not the bike, its the rider. approach and expectation.
Thunk for you; motorways make for a lot of 'progress' because they are wide, and straight and multi-lane, and keep traffic flowing. Taking the A-Roads, you would be doing well, over 100 miles to average 30mph, with junctions and stop start. on the M-Way, even not exploiting the elevated speed limit, you can pretty easily average 45-50mph so 50% more, 'just' because of the reduced traffic control... so you are saving time and risk taking one, why do you need to ramp the risk to above and beyond just to try make a tiny bit more time?
SO?!? Real question is do you NEED or want anything bigger than the 125?
Answer is almost certainly 'no', its a question of WANT not need.. now why would you want a bigger bike? Well, the Seven-Fifty is certainly more comfy. It has a bigger saddle and bigger frame, and the engine is so much more flexible... b-u-t? Is that really worth it?
Back to that expectation and approach. My Seven Fifty is, on the open market' worth about 1/2 what the 125 is. On the all up costs, they both cost approx the same to run; the 125 costs about 50% more a year to insure, but I pay old duffer insurance rates without +commuting clauses on the premium, and annual miles tend to be pretty low. For more every day, and higher mile use, the 125 starts to win, and significantly on the all-up cost comparison, by about 5ooo miles. Like for like, its small compromise to put up with the 125's smaller frame and less commodious saddle, for the £ they cost. By same token, the comfort of the 750 and the luggage caarting ability are pretty expensive indulgences, but all in, for the miles I don't do, small potatoes. How you want to cut up the camel of the compromise?
So the ultimate answer, REALLY is only one YOU can answer, and probably only really by doing it.
I would suggest, that for the small extra you'd get from a big tiddler, like a CB125F or a YBR250, the major comforts of a bigger bike, probably just aren't there, and you have a bike that is for the most part mile of a compromise with most of the drawbacks of a 125 with few if any of the advantages of a bigger bike, particularly as far as resale values go, but more as far as high mile maintainability on something not so common in the listings.
I would suggest, that something a tad more common, like a (showing my age!) an ER5, or whatever the school DAS bikes are these days, would likely offer a bit more in the all-round compromise, and the buy vs resale is likely to be a big win, whilst you get something a bit more substantial and comfortable and easier to live with in the intervening... B-U-T its your approach and expectation, and how you cut up the camel....
If you have gone and got a RWYL 'A' entitlement licence, enbd of the day you 'may' Ride What You Like.... and only you will be able to say whether its worth it..... but you will have the hanging compunction to go try... and why not?
Its spring soon... you could keep the 125 as a wok-horse / back up, and for reletively not a lot of money, go get something like an old ER5, ride it for a couple of months, decide what you like or dont about it, then chop it on against something like a ZZ6, try that, and so on for the summer... until YOU know what you do and dont like, and can make a 'better' decision on hoe you want to cut up the camel, or what colour mule to make... could be 'fun' too, especially if you still have the 125 in he shed to fall back on, and add to the final trade in in a years time...
Bottom line answer, top is it worth trading 'up' to a big tiddler?
Personally, I dont think it often is. They do have something going for them, b-u-t they are neither fish nor foul, and you;d have to work the compromise to make one work for you; B~U~T its you that's got to ride it, its you that's got to cut up the camel.. just remember you dont have to put all your eggs in one basket, or get it right first time, once and forever.. |
I've ridden on motorways too and know it can be done, so i don't "need" anything bigger. But having said that a lot of time on the faster roads i don't really feel safe with cars up my arse or when i'm trying to overtake/change lanes and something changes and i don't have the power to pull out of it and have to rely on others backing off or spotting me in their blind spots, etc.
And no offence, but going over your think your advice is for me to go for a lower powered big bike (500ish) rather than a 250-300, is that right? ____________________ "I wild each it lol that meet their naked" |
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Mafioso wrote: | I passed my test last year but held onto the 125 as the insurance on a new bike was insane for some reason. But now i'm looking again. I'm not really bothered by going super fast, the boy racer stuff and super fast superbikes don't really appeal to me. I kinda like the cheap a cheerful nature of the 125 but it's just too slow on motorways and the lower gears are so short that constantly changing gears up and down when pottering around below 20 is annoying.
I visited a dealership to look at some bikes and liked the Honda CB300 since it's just a scaled up version of the CB125F i ride, but the guy there put me off it by saying it's not worth it as it only gives a slight increase in power. And even though i passed my test on a 650 a lot of the 650s i saw looked a bit big for the filtering i do in central London. Although admittedly a lot of other riders seem to do fine on them.
So basically my question is whether a 300 is a useful upgrade or should i man up and go straight for the 500CC-750CC bikes and just get used to throwing around the bigger bikes? |
Honestly, I think some of it comes down to build - i.e. how big and heavy you are. If you're still young, lithe and much more like a jockey than e.g. Tyson Fury, you might enjoy wringing every last ounce of power from a small, light bike like that. Then again, it's not actually *that* much lighter than e.g. a '90s cb500, which will have more accessible power and arguably be ergonomically more suited to city commuting. The 300 ninja is perhaps better at tight back lane fun stuff. How about a grey import 250 Hornet? I bet that'd be a right laugh for a small, light rider. Few and far between but still.
I really dislike heavy bikes myself. So I get why you might feel drawn to a 300. I feel like the development of the last decade or more has really neglected the weight factor - probably because the adventure category has taken over (never mind that to actually do anything properly adventurous with a bike you need it to be as light as possible). A lack of weight is a lovely thing to feel in a bike. That's partly why I got one of those ultima light cbr600s. They're a bit cramped for me, but they go and stop really well and are ten a penny. Steer like mad too. ____________________ "Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."
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Mafioso wrote: | Other than that you got any recommendations on naked 250-300s? |
I've ridden the older MT-03, Hyosung and older Honda CB250R, They're fine. Nothing exciting, but at this level, bar maybe the KTM, nothing will be.
Hyosung do the Comet 250, same motor in the GTR and Aquila 250's.
Daelim do something that's a naked 250, but I'm fucked if I can remember the model. Essentially what I have without a fairing.
KTM do a 390 that's naked. Examples I saw rusted very quickly, and it's expensive.
Honda used to do the CB250 into the early 00's. Might find one that's decent and cheap. Modern replacement is the CB300R.
Yamaha MT-03. Up to '14 it was a 660 single, now it's a 300 parallel twin. I prefer the former, it's actually fun to ride, if a bit vibey up top. I would buy a pre '14 if it was priced well.
Suzuki don't have a naked 250 these days, nearest is the wannabe adventure V-Strom 250 - I'd give it a swerve, adventure bikes tend to be heavy. ____________________ '98 VFR800 (touring) - '12 VFR800 Crosrunner (Commuting) - '01 KDX220 (Big Green Antisocial Machine) |
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ThatDippyTwat wrote: | Mafioso wrote: | Other than that you got any recommendations on naked 250-300s? |
I've ridden the older MT-03, Hyosung and older Honda CB250R, They're fine. Nothing exciting, but at this level, bar maybe the KTM, nothing will be.
Hyosung do the Comet 250, same motor in the GTR and Aquila 250's.
Daelim do something that's a naked 250, but I'm fucked if I can remember the model. Essentially what I have without a fairing.
KTM do a 390 that's naked. Examples I saw rusted very quickly, and it's expensive.
Honda used to do the CB250 into the early 00's. Might find one that's decent and cheap. Modern replacement is the CB300R.
Yamaha MT-03. Up to '14 it was a 660 single, now it's a 300 parallel twin. I prefer the former, it's actually fun to ride, if a bit vibey up top. I would buy a pre '14 if it was priced well.
Suzuki don't have a naked 250 these days, nearest is the wannabe adventure V-Strom 250 - I'd give it a swerve, adventure bikes tend to be heavy. |
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Mafioso wrote: | And no offence, but going over your think your advice is for me to go for a lower powered big bike (500ish) rather than a 250-300, is that right? |
No, not really. My advice is it's your call.. stop fannying around, get decisive! But hedging your bets.. keep the 125, for now, it do de job. BUT, you lack experience, you dont really know what you want or need... eg the CRF comment.. you 'looked' at one, and oooh! Made a decission! That it was too tall for you! Err, yeah, you DO know that off-roady type bikes have soft long travel suspension that squashed down a lot when you plonk your arse-weight on the saddle, don't you?, They even tend to have an 'adjustment ring' on the shock so you can get them to squash down a bit more... and if REALLY needed, you can get shorter shocks or links to lower them some more... this is NOT really a stoppa.. but still..
SUGGESTION WAS:- why try make a once and forever, must get it right first time decision, here and now, if eva?
Carry on up the learning curve a bit, get some wider ranging experience; use the 125 as fail-safe, and invest what you might spend on chopping it in, on something second hand, old a different... and more than once! Enjoy the shmorgas board of nikes on offer; try them, see what you like, and what you don't. There's a wjhole life-time of biking infront of you, you dont have to get it right obce and for all right now.
IF trailie appeals... go for it... get one.... just keep the 125 in the shed 'juct in case'... IF the seat dont squash down enough... well, try adjusting the shock.... if it handles a bit funny, try dropping the fork jokes a few cm down the stansions to level it up... if that dont feel better, try a shorter shock or lowering-link.... use it, weigh it up... if the riding position is comfy, chalk that up as a plus; if knobbly tyres feel a bit iffy in the wet, chalk that down to a minus, and in a couple of months time? Well, if theres enough about the thing you 'like' chop it in for a bigger trailie, like a Honda NX650 Dominator.. see how that feels... of get adventurouse, try a Transalp! You might hate them all, but it could make you decide to try a BMW, who knows..... you may decide that you want a Pan Euro, so give one a go... that might make you wonder whether you have thrown the baby out with tha bath water... Oh NO, it's in the shed, 'cos you din;t chop the 125 in for alternatives... so you go back to that.... and with the experience of alternatives, you will be able to decide better what is good or bad about it, and what may better suit your aspirations.. so, give it another go... maybe for the crack you'll decide to0 sample one of these cramped up sports bikes, even though the riding position looks excruciating.... I'm 6'2" for me it usually is for anything more than a couple of miles, but still.... give it a try... who knows, you may find its not as bad as you thought, and actually for the fun to be had in the twistiest come the weekend or a sunny evening (Yeah this be Britain, who am I kidding, hugh!), makes the long list of minuses pale.
B~U~T.... you are asking us to help you make a decission, only YOU can make... and if you dont have the info to make a good decision on... GO GET IT. .. by trial and error.. otherwise called experience...
End of the day, matters not a jot what we suggest, we don't have to rode the thing, live with the thing, or pay for it's upkeep... So, if the 125 works.. keep it, whilst you explore the options.. like whether a CRF250 needed to be lowered and how it could, and whether that, would actually do the job you wanted and expected, or if that aside, it was a right royal Pain in the proverbial, cos of narrow G-String saddle... so what else might work?
ITS YOUR DECISION.. you don't HAVE to make one, but, that's also your call. And you don't 'Have' to sell off what you got to try something else... there's no laws on how many bikes you can own, or I;d be a multiple offender! As would a lot of us! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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So 2 suggestions for 500ish bikes, 2 for 250ish bikes, and 1 for 600+...
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