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chickenstrip
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 04 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So you're saying...


And thus endeth any reason for engagement with you.
And no, I know nothing about Q anon, or whatever it's called. It never interested me to find out, because I'm not looking for a narrative. I might be wrong sometimes, but I'm not led by anyone. Show me someone who is never wrong.
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 04 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Show me someone who is never wrong.



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PostPosted: 17:31 - 04 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
Islander wrote:


So you're saying...


And thus endeth any reason for engagement with you.
And no, I know nothing about Q anon, or whatever it's called. It never interested me to find out, because I'm not looking for a narrative. I might be wrong sometimes, but I'm not led by anyone. Show me someone who is never wrong.


It's good not to be led by anyone but if you can't see how social media is used to influence the masses (and the tinfoil equivalent is used the same) then you're really not understanding one of the major problems that society is facing at the moment.

As for someone who's never wrong? That's impossible given the fallibility of human nature. It's also a straw man...
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Bozo is to address the nation tonight at 8.00PM. Somehow, I don't reckon it's going to be good news*.



*Unless the fat tosser is resigning
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 12 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
So has anyone actually died of it yet?
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 12 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So has anyone actually died of it yet?

Without tougher restrictions, scientists have warned that we could have up to 75,000 deaths over the next 5 months Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 12 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Raffles wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
So has anyone actually died of it yet?

Without tougher restrictions, scientists have warned that we could have up to 75,000 deaths over the next 5 months Rolling Eyes


I reckon it's nearer to 20 billion trillion trillion deaths by next Thursday. And that's just in Scunthorpe.
The only way to stop this thing that is billions of times worse than the Black Death is to kill everyone. Only then will we be safe. Follow The Science.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 12 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
So has anyone actually died of it yet?


Not seen one single report from anywhere in the world. But think of the NHS!
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 12 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
So has anyone actually died of it yet?

It seems not. Neither of it, nor even with it.

Apparently it’s too soon to jump to conclusions so… Plan B now!

One thing though, if the Tories’ reputation for wanting to privatise the NHS were true this would be the perfect time to let it fail in the eyes of the public. Yet everything is geared towards protecting the NHS, even to the detriment of the rest of the economy.
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Sage have an abysmal record for predicting sky high deaths and hospitalisations that don't materialise.
We should probably be more worried if they declare it all over.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 12 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
So has anyone actually died of it yet?


First few cases in hospital this weekend but given it takes a couple of weeks for serious illness to occur and the new variant was only announced a couple of weeks ago it's still too early to call - although the data should be in fairly soon.

Hopefully it'll be milder even if it's more contagious.
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Sage have an abysmal record for predicting sky high deaths and hospitalisations that don't materialise.
We should probably be more worried if they declare it all over.


Plan for the worst, hope for the best. That's pretty standard practice.

Had your vaccines and booster yet? Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 12 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The UK's coronavirus alert level has been raised from three to four due to the spread of Omicron, the UK's chief medical officers have said.

The last time the UK was at level four was in May.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59629916

Top level is 5. Who’s still dreaming of a white Christmas?

New variants will inevitably appear. We should accept that and move on.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 12 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Islander wrote:

Plan for the worst, hope for the best.


Plan being the key word. Not implementing plans for emergency situations when you don't yet have an emergency situation, because actions for emergencies generally have other detrimental effects. That's why you only implement them IN emergencies.

Some people will still be finding excuses for emergency action in two month's time, never mind two weeks Rolling Eyes
Anyone care to make a prediction now? Mine is no notable rise in deaths and serious illness, but more 'emergency' measures anyway, "just in case". Oh, and a new strain to wait out the results of in the New Year.

And if the choice is see the NHS overwhelmed (4 more people get sick?) or be allowed to live our lives as best we can, I'm for the latter. I wasn't born in order to 'save' the NHS. Bloody socialists.
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 12 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
Islander wrote:

Plan for the worst, hope for the best.


Plan being the key word. Not implementing plans for emergency situations when you don't yet have an emergency situation, because actions for emergencies generally have other detrimental effects. That's why you only implement them IN emergencies.

Some people will still be finding excuses for emergency action in two month's time, never mind two weeks Rolling Eyes
Anyone care to make a prediction now? Mine is no notable rise in deaths and serious illness, but more 'emergency' measures anyway, "just in case". Oh, and a new strain to wait out the results of in the New Year.


There's the thing. The scientists advise, the politicians act. People are far too fond of criticising the science/scientists but they don't make the decisions. They look at the data/evidence and advise accordingly.

chickenstrip wrote:
And if the choice is see the NHS overwhelmed (4 more people get sick?) or be allowed to live our lives as best we can, I'm for the latter. I wasn't born in order to 'save' the NHS. Bloody socialists.


The last time I looked we had a Conservative government...

Grumpy old bugger. Razz Laughing
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The cynic in me thinks they've come up with the predicted deaths figure by using the omicron infection rate and multiplying it by the beta death rate.

Omicron has been in Africa for over a month now.
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 13 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Islander wrote:

The last time I looked we had a Conservative government...


You obviously haven't looked for the last 20 years or so. Conservative in name only.
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 13 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
The cynic in me thinks they've come up with the predicted deaths figure by using the omicron infection rate and multiplying it by the beta death rate.

Omicron has been in Africa for over a month now.


This is the whole problem. They're obsessed with statistics and projections instead of what's really happening...or not. Bloody geeks.
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Plenty of ppl will die of Omicron... all the cancer patients not getting treatment Sad
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Wifie working from home again. I might be digging up the patio in a few weeks time. (Or she might Laughing )
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Wifie working from home again.


While Boris may have said "bars & restaurants can operate as normal" the work from home thing effectively shuts down Hospitality in the City. Why does the government hate this industry above all others? Sad
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While Boris may have said "bars & restaurants can operate as normal" the work from home thing effectively shuts down Hospitality in the City. Why does the government hate this industry above all others? Sad


because thats where people can get together, relax and talk about what the government is doing.
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First omicron death recorded - let's hope it's a blip.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-britain-omicron-death/at-least-one-patient-has-died-from-omicron-variant-uks-johnson-says-idINS8N2RI03G
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 13 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Islander wrote:
First omicron death recorded - let's hope it's a blip.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-britain-omicron-death/at-least-one-patient-has-died-from-omicron-variant-uks-johnson-says-idINS8N2RI03G


Interesting lie by Reuters.

Reuters wrote:
At least one patient has died from Omicron variant, UK's Johnson says


Boris Johnson wrote:
Sadly at least one patient has now been confirmed to have died with Omicron


(my emphasis)
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It's a fairly important difference isn't it.
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